Yeah, there's a wide range between snowflake and caveman. For me the answer is somewhere in between. I am surprised noise ordinances haven't been enforced by now. It's literally become a health issue. My ears are screwed and there's a gonad for a brain guy down the road with the loudest HD I've heard. I can hear it idling blocks away. Riding by I had to put my fingers in my ears, it was painful. That encouraged him to start flailing away on his throttle like an out of control toddler.