Let me make another observation that pertains to this discussion. It seems like most of the people on this forum tend to prefer riding alone. Just look at any discussion involving group riding and most of the people who participate in that discussion are against it. So the people participating in perfect line tend to be against group rides. From my experience, most of the riders I actually know like to ride with others. I have also talked to a lot people who bought a motorcycle and eventually gave it up because none of their friends rode. I think that there are a lot of people out their who prefer to do things with others and that is one of the reasons Harley has been so successful. Buy a Harley and you are now a member of a club. Dress like everyone else in the club and now everyone knows you are a member of that club. I'm one of those people who likes to go on group rides. I can understand why people are attracted to the Harley "lifestyle" even If I personally have chosen to go in another direction. I have gone on group rides where over half of the riders where on Harley's.....and I was on a scooter I enjoyed it because these where relatively spirited rides on fun country roads. Not at all what you would expect on a Harley group ride. My point is, Harley has done a lot of things right. They need to keep some of the things that made them successful and change some things stay successful in the future. All these opinions of impending doom are just that, opinions. We really don't know how the Harley management will react to the future.