You guys think Harley Davidson will last?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by tessalino, Aug 24, 2019.

  1. Sal Pairadice

    Sal Pairadice Captain Obvious

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    Here's my retort; I was one of those fluid moto tacticians,riding fast - right up until I didn't see the 20' patch of stone dust on a high speed corner and high sided, breaking... too many bones. I never saw it, so I didn't react to it. When I woke up (yeah, woke up) I was glad that I had covered myself head to toe in heavy thick armor that morning. I had one tiny patch of road rash, where my jacket had separated from my pants and inch or so. So I had been sliding face down, tumbling unconcious and...protected by gear that was a PITA to wear and that I never thought I would need.

    I cracked my FF Snell helmet. Absolutely would have been dead. Before the accident, I was a motorcycle God. Always escaping injury and using my skills. It can happen real fast.
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  2. DR Donk

    DR Donk Been here awhile

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    Well said! :thumb I have had just one serious accident in thirty eight years of riding. I had a collision with a deer I was told. I have no memory of it. You just don't know if or when it could happen.
  3. AzB

    AzB Fattest thin man

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    Yep. You can go a million miles with no problems and then suddenly be smacked with a freak accident.

    Pride cometh before a fall.

    Risk/consequences.
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  4. Traxx

    Traxx Long timer Supporter

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    Got some numbers to back that up? What percentage is tiny?

    For the ATGATT crowd.

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  5. hamiamham

    hamiamham Been here awhile

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    in terms of unit sales the US is a rounding error vs the rest of the world. about 450K 2-wheelers sold in the US vs more then 60mm worldwide.

    any other statistics you are too lazy to google?
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  6. liberpolly

    liberpolly Nu, shoyn, nudnick!

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    I think it's absolutely ridiculous to assume that people who are good are less attentive in ATGATT than in t-shirt and brain bucket. Maybe it's true for you, but it is definitely not so for me, or for literally any good rider I know. Most likely it is not true for you either, it's just a canard to justify laziness.
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  7. Traxx

    Traxx Long timer Supporter

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    I didn't make the claim, and when I do I provide context and proof. Why should I google?

    Edit : As a matter of fact, what are your sources? The reason I ask is that many on here like to make shit up.
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    Good luck trying to find anything to the contrary.
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  9. anotherguy

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    However it's the one we see. I would imagine Australia is a small(er) market as there are several US states with a larger population.
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  10. mb8

    mb8 One planet, no option.

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    Oh boy American's are super sensitive these days. I suggest some travel, see the World.
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  11. anotherguy

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    Is that what you take away from that? Aren't we special.
  12. windmill

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    Not being ATGATT is an informed compromise I make, and as such I ride very conservatively. I can say I do keep it dialed down because of it to leave a very wide margin for error. It doesn't seem to be a stretch that some may take more risk because they're ATGATT.

    That said, I have a hard time imagining someone being more, or less attentive when riding because of what they wear. I consistently practice the same level of roadcraft regardless of traffic conditions, vehicle I'm operating, or what I'm wearing.
  13. mitchxout

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    My guess is a rider who's Atgatt is probably more versed in all aspects of road safety. Informed is forearmed.

    For the sake of the original post; no, I don't think Harley is going to last at their current trajectory. I think it's safe to say the M8 isn't going to save the Company.

    In fact, I remember not so long ago Harley only made up 5% of USA road bikes. The Evo, Malcombe Forbes (and Elizabeth Taylor!), even the Terminator, did their part to spread the v-twin love. In 08, it took a gov't bailout to keep the MoCo alive.

    I don't expect today's culture or political climate to save the MoCo this time. Not to mention, the faithful stalwarts are in revolt mode, looking at Indians, Bmws, Advs, et. My last trip to local dealer was interrupted at the front by 4 loud guys complaining about their bike problems. Not good for business!
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  14. liberpolly

    liberpolly Nu, shoyn, nudnick!

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    The compromise part is what I could never understand. Compromise with what? My motorcycle leather jacket, kevlar jeans, and motorcycle-specific boots are every bit as comfy as regular clothes.

    The keeping it dialed down part is definitely something we all should work on outside of the track, though. Regardless of clothes.
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  15. windmill

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    Compromise as in wearing work clothes, and commercial fishing rain gear because it's cheaper, more durable, more comfortable (I'm 6' 235 lbs), more convenient, warmer, and dryer.
    A Grundens rain suit over heavy work clothes and a thick wool coat isn't exactly shorts and a T-shirt.
    An informed compromise, not a complete disregard, or denial.
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  16. Rhino-1

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    That's a statement filled with incomplete data. Total motorcycle sales in 2018, for example, may total "132mm," but that figure includes mopeds, small displacement scooters, electric scooters, etc., dominateed by the Indian and Chinese markets. I spent 5 mintues researching, and the flaws in the assertion above becomes readily apparent even in that small amount of time. If there were a way to calculate sales of motorcyckes larger than 300cc, for example, I suspect the numbers would change dramatically. The US is a VERY important market for the larger, more expensive, and flagship motorcycles made worldwide--this is why BMW, GUZZI, Ducati, etc look to the US market as the basis for many of their most expensive, leading-edge new designs. This is not the forum for an in-depth discussion on this, so I'll stop here.
  17. hamiamham

    hamiamham Been here awhile

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    And your statement....has no data....

    My general comment was in response to a general comment that was made.

    not sure what the policy is to link to other sites but motorcyclesdata dot com has anything anyone would want in terms of data...
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  18. neanderthal

    neanderthal globeriding wannabe

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    Why larger than 300cc? Is it because that would eliminate a lot of the 125/ 175/ 200/ 250/ 275cc bikes and scooters most of the rest of the world seems to predominantly buy?
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    Maybe now you see why it is important to state your source or are you to lazy to stick a link in there?
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  20. Rhino-1

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    See, now you're on to something. Where do we draw the line? Who keeps those stats? It is not logical to compare a $600 domestically-produced (in the third world) motorbike with even an American market "toy bike" such as a CR450R (costing very nearly $10,000)--let alone the more popular Harley Sportsters (at around the same), etc. All I'm saying is that Mark Twain was absolutely spot-on about statistics--at least when it comes to how they're often presented.