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Zip Ties

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by Yellow Pig, Jan 14, 2017.

  1. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid! Supporter

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    Agreed. I have never seen a real difference between cheap and expensive. Zip ties are not supposed to be mechanical fasteners, so even cheap ones are fine. Good cutters will prevent sharp edges, cut across the length.
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  2. Buccleuch

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    In our telecom offices, we don't use zip ties. We use waxed lacing cord and lacing tape.

    Why? If you have to get into cable management for new work or re-work, zip ties will turn your hands into hamburger. Cable lacing is the elegant way to do it.

    W.A.
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  3. dtysdalx2

    dtysdalx2 Only a matter of time.

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    This is not JM. We want some useful info here, not this BS. :stfu
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  4. lesman

    lesman Live easy, Brake Hard

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    I guess it's time to shut down the thread.
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  5. JimVonBaden

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    Two different applications.

    Also why I mentioned how to trim them. If done right they are not sharp.
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  6. JimVonBaden

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    [​IMG]
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  7. JCool

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    How does this handle UV ?
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  8. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad Former World's Foremost Authority Supporter

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    It's not the Zip tie's fault you get cut up into hamburger, it's the guy who trimmed them with anything except "flush cuts".
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  9. lesman

    lesman Live easy, Brake Hard

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    I've seen some really "Neat" cloth covered wiring with cable lacing. It's amazing that I poo pooed cloth wiring when I young. Now it's just cool.
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  10. shovelstrokeed

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    The short answer is, it doesn't. This method is as old as electrical wiring and is used in places that are not directly exposed to light such as panel boxes and control cabinets. You might see it in high end scientific equipment. It is labor intensive but wonderful to run into as repairs/modifications to the harness are fairly easy to accomplish.

    I find this whole discussion is kind of silly. UV tolerance aside, bundling wires gets to be a PITA no matter how you do it. Zip ties, no matter the brand, eventually fail, they are easily replaced when they do fail if the original installer paid attention. For years, I was able to obtain drop offs and chunks of multi-conductor cables in everything from 12 gauge to 22 gauge in lengths of up to 6 feet and numbers of conductors from 2 to 40. 6 feet of 28 conductor, 18 gauge wire would wire almost an entire motorcycle. I used scrap welding cable for the battery and starter wiring and other scraps of 14 and 12 gauge wires to handle lighting and charging loads. For my own bikes, I would make a harness board out of scrap plywood and 8d nails leaving an extra 6" or so of pigtail where I planned to make connections. The whole held together with temporary zip ties until I could do a proper wrap on the entire thing, removing the zip ties as I completed the wrapping.

    I haven't had to do this for quite a few years now as I don't bother with farkles all over the bike. I do have a tank bag floating around the house into which I incorporated a bunch of accessory functions such as connections for heated gear, head phones, GPS power and cell phone charging, etc.. When it became too much of a PITA to unplug all the crap as I dismounted the bike I just simplified my life and got rid of all the crap.
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  11. tag3

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    If you want to get some serious tension on your zip ties, get one of these from the bicycle trade.
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  12. broncobowsher

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    What is that?
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  13. lesman

    lesman Live easy, Brake Hard

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    PARK TOOL BT-2 CABLE STRETCHER 4th hand cable stretcher

    What a cool tool.
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  14. JCool

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    It was a rhetorical question.
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  15. RonKZ650

    RonKZ650 Been here awhile

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    The Panduit GS2B cable tie gun works great as well, but man the inflation has hit that tool. Sometimes used ones on ebay can prove worthwhile. Forget new any more for $200 or more.
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  16. thetubespoke

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    Depending on what you are looking to tie, I'm very fond of Nite Ize Gear ties: http://amzn.to/2iTTyrC

    While I'm sure they don't last forever, I've never had one fail. I used one as hood ornament on my 4Runner for months in the sun and it's still fine. Makes more sense for commonly removed applications versus permanent, of course.

    I think plastic zip ties will generally fail, although it seems the good ones can last 20+ years and a few removals. I like the steel ties with rubber coatings that a lot of OEMs used.

    These may be similar, or at least worth a try: http://amzn.to/2jHNEhk

    Should definitely not fail from UV or heat.
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  17. Ricardo Kuhn

    Ricardo Kuhn a.k.a. Mr Rico Suave

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    NOT for EVERYTHING.....

    But bicycle bicycle toe straps are some of the most functional methods, the main problem is to find some of decent quality since toe straps are passé for the last 40 years...
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  18. triplenickel

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    Best by a mile.
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  19. Sabre

    Sabre PrĂȘt? Allez! Supporter

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    It's easy to offer an alternative explanation, to differ with someone else's opinion, without attacking that person. Mean people suck, right?

    Oh, and the addition of carbon black to various plastics is a primary means of adding UV protection. Your photography analogy does indeed apply to infrared, though. Cheers!
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  20. Ricardo Kuhn

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    Really weak zip ties (the snap just by looking at them)

    But as a toddler toy they are fantastic, mayor points in manual dexterity.
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