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Zip Ties

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by Yellow Pig, Jan 14, 2017.

  1. bluemtnridr

    bluemtnridr Been here awhile

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    Make friends with your local telephone cable splicer. They will have different lengths and widths. Plus he will a good supply of electrical tape. Most of the splicers are outdoor folks and can be bought with coffee and donuts.
    I won't disclose how I know this

    JD (retired splicer)
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  2. Garbln

    Garbln Been here awhile

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    Interesting discussion, where I worked (Generator Mfg.) we used a ton of wire ties. In enclosed cabinets the natural white ones were the only ones used when needed. Exposed were usually black. Most were T&B or 3m. You usually can get good prof ones at Granger too.
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  3. squish

    squish Out of the office.

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    In my experience there's a big difference in the quality of cable ties

    The big bucket of ties found at a big box store, you know the made in china muliti colored pack.
    Those are great for doing things like holding signs up and quick jobs

    But if I'm doing something like a wiring loom I use high quality name brand ties rated for UV exposure
    The better the tie the easier it is to use a real tie wrap gun, one that you can set the pull tension on and it cuts the end flush.
    I like the
    Thomas & Betts ERG120 but it's also $300, yes that's $300 for a tool that's only job is to tighten ty wraps,
    and I used it enough to buy a second one.

    Cheaper ties can't be pulled very tight, will not hold and will not last

    Brighter colored ties loose their colors after exposure to UV light.

    Darker colors if they have UV inhibitors in the plastic alloy can last 5 or more years.

    Good cable ties can be bought in bundles of a gross, but if you're not going through them, it's sill as they don't age very well and get brittle.

    I like 25 or 50 count packs, slightly more expensive per tie but less waste over the long run.
    T&B is the brand that I had on hand most of the the time
    TY24MX Cable Tie 30lb 5.5" Ultraviolet Resistant Black Nylon with Stainless Steel Locking Device Military Specified (MIL-SPEC MS3367-5-0) when you get the 1000 count
    That's $.30 a tie
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  4. flashover604

    flashover604 tailgunner

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    How many of THESE did you use in your career? Love that I can use the roll and make a 50' monster tie if I need to!

    ZL (non-retired splicer/repairman)
    [​IMG]


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  5. lilbcollins

    lilbcollins Been here awhile

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    Panduit. One you use them, you'll never use anything else.


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  6. bluemtnridr

    bluemtnridr Been here awhile

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    Half the plant in the Verizon system is hanging from that exact strap. My contribution is proly measured in thousands of feet.
    In 30 some years I don't think I saw more than half a dozen fail.
    Was I right about the coffee and donuts.
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  7. flashover604

    flashover604 tailgunner

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    I agree. I've hung thousands of them. If they fail it's due to severe overloading like a truck pulling a cable down or really old aerial cable and freezing temps.

    Yeah, coffee and donuts will get you pretty far!


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  8. racetrash

    racetrash Been here awhile

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    30 years ATT, sucks buying tys, I wire off-road cars/trucks and use a shit load of tys. Using home-crappo tys now as most of the off road race cars are torn down after every race, when it matters, T&B the best! Pete@RaceTrashWiring
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  9. Dave in Wi

    Dave in Wi Long timer

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    These are GB Extreme Ties, according to the package they are for severe cold temperature applications. Down to -40c. They have been holding the bumper cover of our van together for two years now, and seem to be holding up well.

    [​IMG]


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  10. flashover604

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    The youngsters call those "Drift Stitches".


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  11. Dave in Wi

    Dave in Wi Long timer

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    Yup, I took the Zippocratic Oath so I can perform procedures like this.


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  12. filterx

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  13. Justarida

    Justarida Genius At Large

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    If you know what this is and how to use it then your "Zip Tie Quality" opinion can be considered valid.
    Otherwise your prob just a zip tie poser! :D

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  14. Justarida

    Justarida Genius At Large

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    Guess I shoulda posted an opinion too.
    Panduit brand or Thomas an Betts dont even bother with anything else.
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  15. Guano11

    Guano11 Stop me if you've heard this one....

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    Sooo....where does the regular Joe Schmoe acquire these Panduits/T&Bs locally? Home Depot or Lowes, or are they too specialized? I haven't seen a cable guy in my neighborhood ever....
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  16. VonHelm

    VonHelm corona ring

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    Better hardware stores, industrial, or electrical supply distributors.
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  17. tomhislop

    tomhislop Mud Mauler

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    I work in Gold exploration so we have great supply of heavy duty ties, I keep a handful tied to the frame of my 500 exc so when I get a flat I just tie the tyre to the rim and ride home or back to the vehicle for repair, works a treat and gets you going in seconds, great for racing!
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  18. Valker

    Valker Long timer

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    I ordered my T&B from eBay.
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