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zongshen cyclone 450 rally bike

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by mikledog, Dec 17, 2016.

  1. gatling

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  2. TBR

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    ZONGSHEN - doesn't come as a big surprise, Dakar 2017 ~ they are not going great, MIC = Made In China bike manufacturers still have a very long and steep learning curve ahead in terms of international competitions.... 'nuff said ~ they gave it a try anyhow one way or the other....
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  3. cyclopathic

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    That would be enough for ADV and DS production bike.
    What if they are not there to complete?

    If they're using competition as a test ground then it doesn't really matter as long as bike doesn't fall apart.
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    Short Zongshen rally competition test.... following the Dakar 2017 by any chance...???
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  5. cyclopathic

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    You mean 2018 Dakar Rally production bike? With 30L frame tank and 130kg weight?
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    i think so, the part about the bike falling apart, they are down to one bike and it may be a rebadged Yamaha.
    They are trying though so I'll give them that.
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    Yes some better suspension is always appreciated.

    Sounds like AJP might be looking at this 450 engine too for a smaller dual sport. AJP will be using quality suspension for sure.

    Good that Zong is Dakar testing this engine to work out any issues.
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    When might we see some more photos or specs Joe? I know you guys have alot of process, time and $ to get it here but maybe just some ballpark ideas?
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  11. Ohio_Danimal

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    Can't find the page, but I read that the 4 bikes that dropped out was due to high temperature leading to rider fatigue.
    Thierry has moved up a bit to 108th and stays in the race.
    Here's a few pics from TB's Facebook page from the start. Notice the last minute change to the fairings for additional protection, with only one bike with stock fairing.
    Last post on TB's page stated he was losing power the last 50km of the 3rd stage but finished. I posted asking for more details on what caused the power loss, and more details on why the other 4 dropped out. Hopefully he'll reply
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  12. TBR

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    The five pictured bikes above are not all ZONGSHEN Cyclone bikes to my limited knowledge, feel free to make any corrections to my simple statement. As was common during the Dakar Rally past, rebadged bikes (Yamaha / KTM) were used by China bike manufacturers to compete, one of the manufacturers = JINCHENG.....
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  13. Ohio_Danimal

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    First of all, there are five bikes in the picture, and yes, they are all Zongshens, not rebadged Yamahas.
    This is NOT the past. This is NOW.
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  14. TBR

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    Apologies, FIVE BIKES, fat fingers on iPad typing while watching The Grand Tour (Top Gear's UK new show) on TV.
    Well - word on the street and bamboo telegraph says JVO (Yamaha WR450) has something to do with at least 1-2 of them Dakar 2017 bikes but let's just say they are all full on Zongshen to avoid a flame war and never ending interweb (forum) discussions. Waiting for the Zongshen 2018 Rally Replica bike to become available via www.taobao.com later during the year for 4999 $US delivered worldwide...
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  15. Ohio_Danimal

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    thank God your knowledge is limited and you are able to admit it.
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    At least the rally bike pictured in that blog doesn't have an idiotic under engine exhaust. It always baffles me when companies do that on smaller displacement bikes with plenty of room for safer routing just to give them a rally look.
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    I don't understand why you are so up on these bikes when 4 of 5 flopped on day 2? How much worse could it be? Willy Jobard has finished Dakar 4 times previously, now we're supposed to believe he just swooned on the second day? I will be the first to congratulate Zongshen when it does arrive, but this year was not a good showing.
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  18. Ohio_Danimal

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    I don't understand why you care WHAT I am "up" on.

    Record temps in this year's Dakar. Yesterday's stage was over 104 degrees F. Willy's getting old.
    And if the bikes failed, I wanna know why and what. The same motor will be used in a bike I'm interested in.

    And to be fair, over 40 bikes "flopped" before the 3rd stage. They were KTMs, Hondas and Yamahas. Guarantee you no one's saying their bikes are shit because they broke down.
    Lot of balls for Zongshen to throw their bikes out there like this.
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    Just curious but how do you know? Do you have insider information or know someone on the team?
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  20. Ohio_Danimal

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    Because I own a Zongshen bike and am following their results to determine how well the NC450 motors are holding up. The factory has been quite clear that the 5 bikes entered are not rebadged bikes from other mfg's as Chinese attempts in the past have been. It is not a secret

    https://www.facebook.com/ZONGSHENCYCLONERALLY/

    Thierry's FB page has an update, saying his bike had issues as well, but the problem was resolved. Curiously, it says the problem was fuel flow between f and r tanks. Problem is, the Cyclone Rally Raid was told to have a single 8 gallon tank, not separate tanks, so it has me wondering as well what last minute changes were made.
    his page is here
    https://www.facebook.com/TB-Racing-169591606490885
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