Zumo 665-I'd rather have a paper map

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by RayAlazzurra, Jun 10, 2011.

  1. RayAlazzurra

    RayAlazzurra Stuck in the Eighties

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    My wife and I recently spent the big bucks and got a Zumo 665. I am a bit disappointed to say the least. We use the GPS while traveling and exploring so labeling of POIs and roads on the map display is a big deal. If I see a road on the display labeled "old stage road", "oregon trail", or perhaps "old toll road" I usually take that road just to see where it goes.

    The new 665 does not label roads. wtf? Actually it does label roads if you zoom in to a ridiculously small scale such as 500 feet or so. I was never all that wild about the Garmin SP 2610 we had, but in hindsight it was great unit. I could leave the SP 2610 at a 0.8 mile range and see all secondary roads with most of them labeled. Did Garmin design the 665 for illiterate people, or perhaps for people who only follow a route and have no interest in any situational awareness? In any case I'm sending this pos back or selling it.

    Here's a response from Garmin's support people:

    The names have been changed

    Thanks Garmin support person:

    I checked and the maps are enabled. (The box is checked) I also updated firmware to the latest rev.

    So... This is it?

    I zoomed out to 0.3 mile scale and only one road is labeled. At least all of the other roads are displayed--they just are not labeled.

    I zoomed out to 0.8 mile scale and all the secondary roads disappear, but now two roads are labeled.

    If I zoom out much farther there is no improvement. I must admit the display is not cluttered, but I don't think a complete lack of useful information is an advantage.

    Unless you can tell me something else to try I'll be sending this unit back. The way the 665 works now it is far inferior to the old Streetpilot 2610. In fact the Zumo 665 is inferior to a paper map.

    Any ideas?

    Kind Regards,

    Ray

    On Jun 6, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Product.Support@garmin.com wrote:

    Dear customer,
    Thank you for contacting Garmin International.
    You will want to make sure that your maps are enabled by pressing tools>settings>map>map info. Make sure you have a check in the box next to the map set.

    If it is already enabled, then what you are seeing is the extent of the detail available. The devices and maps going forward will not display every street name or every POI. This cannot be shown because of all the clutter that would be on the screen. If you actually plug in a route, or zoom out a bit you may see some more street names or detail associated with your route.


    With Best Regards,
    Product Support Specialist
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  2. no2opec

    no2opec Been here awhile

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    I dumped mine because It crashed way too much so I feel your pain. At the price we paid there should be no disappointments.
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  3. 9Dave

    9Dave Bazinga!

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    Yep. I'll help you with your angst. Just send it to me and it will no longer cause you consternation.:evil

    All kidding aside - check your preferences and see what you have set. It may solve your screen issues.

    But there are differences between units, and map data. Some call roads out by name, some by number, it's just the way it is.

    If the 2610 works better for you, great.
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  4. RayAlazzurra

    RayAlazzurra Stuck in the Eighties

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    I'll ship it straight away Dave--just send me 900 bucks. I checked all the settings and the map detail is set as high as it goes. I've checked around on the web and it seems like this is really how it works. I think the solution will be to use the Zumo as a nerve center, XM, bluetooth communications hub, and use an older GPS for actual map data. My wife and I ride together on seperate bikes and hers has the new Zumo natch. I use an old Magellan Meridian (don't laugh too hard it has both TOPO and street maps of the whole US and displays the road names and POI data)

    So my wife can handle the routing and weather mapping with the Zumo, and I can check out interesting roads and POIs as they appear on my old GPS. This will work for a while until the Merdian's map data is hopelessly outdated.

    From what I can see almost all of the newer Nuvi derived GPS kind of suck when it comes to putting detail on the screen. I guess it depends on what you like. I started this thread in the hope of creating a little rant that Garmin might pay attention to. After all--why not make the amount of detail selectable. For people that only like one or two roads labled they can have that as standard, and for guys like me that like about 60% of the roads labeled that could be a selectable option.

    The other reason for this thread is that some people will go out and buy the 665 because of all the rave reviews. I was one of them and it was a huge mistake. The 665 is fantastic for its comm features, routing ability, and ease of use overall. If you do all your route planning on a computer and follow routes or tracks it will be perfect--arguably the best possible choice. For those of us that like to imporvise and explore a bit another GPS or paper map will be needed.
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  5. Steve W

    Steve W Old Grouch

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    Worth a Try
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  6. tbirdsp

    tbirdsp REMF

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    I don't like it either, but the bottom line is that hardly anybody outside of us adventure riders use a GPS of this type (street routing) as a portable map for exploring.

    I like my Nuvi 500 in general for street riding and following routes, but my old units used to display what cross street/road you were approaching if you weren't navigating a route. The Nuvi tells me what street I am riding on:huh Thanks a lot, I already knew that Sherlock:D
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  7. RayAlazzurra

    RayAlazzurra Stuck in the Eighties

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    off topic--sorry

    Hey Mike S.

    Are you coming to STAR in Johnson City? If so we will see you there.

    Back on topic and proper rant mode:

    Beating a dead horse perhaps but a lack of map detail is not a trivial matter.
    We were on a ride a month ago and were following a .gpx track provided by friends. The route was fantastic, but became very muddy and we were on heavy streetbikes. After wallowing in the mud for about a half mile we pulled up and consulted the GPS. The question as always was whether to push on or turn back. No worries as the old tech Magellan clearly showed that it was at least five miles to another road continuing on the track. With the new Zumo 665 I would need to zoom in to the 500 foot scale and use my finger to scroll the map up the track until another road was encountered. I could then zoom back out to see where that road was in relation to my current location, but the road would probably disappear when zooming out.

    So... this is not a hypothetical situation. The need for situational awareness while riding is a little bit important. Having map detail is not as important as being aware of other traffic, but good data can prevent an accident if it helps you avoid a bad decision.
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  8. tbirdsp

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    Not this year. I always do Bull Shoals in Sep and will try for FOF too:D
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