1080 vs 4k

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  1. Disco Stu

    Disco Stu Long timer

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    Anyone have current insights into 4k tvs?

    I'm thinking of replacing 55" 1080p with a 65" 4k tv. We moved about 3 years ago and 55" was the right size for the old house, but 65" would provide the same viewing angle at the new house.

    Would like to stay under $2k. I don't really care about sound, as I would always be using the home theatre setup and not any built in speakers.
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  2. NorskieRider

    NorskieRider Been here awhile

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    Just a quick check at Costco shows all but two sets are under $2k. The question is whether a $2500 unit is much better than a $1100 or even $600 unit.

    It's been a year since I looked at TVs and I concluded that once you get above the rock bottom prices there are few clunkers out there. The mega-pricy ones may have some special "oooh aaah" features or super special displays that handle wierd scenes better than others but they'll go mostly unnoticed if you didn't know about them.

    At least that's my opinion .. and I'm not very picky when it comes to TVs. I'm more concerned that I have a good bourbon or beer while watching.
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  3. bergermeister

    bergermeister I know what I'm about, son.

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    OLED should future proof you for awhile.
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  4. Minus1

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    I just picked up a Samsung MU8000 4K 240hz 55". It's not the latest model but a nice upgrade from what I had. I think it was $899 before tax. The 65" was around $1250 before tax. So far it's a great TV. I can't believe the difference in movie picture quality.
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  5. eatpasta

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    yes - get the 4k. its the future.

    If you get a 1080 screen, you'll be kicking yourself in a year
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  6. rdtrvlr

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    just bought a 50” at best buy. the sales dude said if you stream or have direct tv get 4k if not 1080 will be fine . got a 50” 1080 for $300
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  7. SgtDuster

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    Read this, read it again...and read it one more time.


    There's no problem about being an early adopter. Honestly. Your money, your choice. Anyway, it's great for us all because it drags the prices down.

    But when you are such a consumer, you know it and you don't seek advises for a TV on a motorcycle forum.

    So since you ask...read this quote again.
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  8. NikonsAndVStroms

    NikonsAndVStroms Beastly Photographer

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    Though 4 years later it's time for 4k, you can get a TCL 55" 4K with good reviews for only 350 :clap

    Now OLED is the tech to wait on.
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  9. RustyStuff

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    My cheap(on sale $350 at costco) Samsung 43" 4K 120hz is the shit. Beautiful picture. So, so much nicer than the 1080P it replaced. Hard part is my internet won't stream 4K netflix all the time, reliably, need like 15-20+ MBPS download speed. But when it will? Hot damn it looks good.
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  10. RonS

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    4K would be worth considering if the upscaling was a quality implementation. Thinking about it for front projection replacement when the current projector bulb gives out.
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  11. Beemer Bob

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    Samsung 65" curved screen 4K at Walmart for $1100. Limited in 4K viewing but everything else looks great compared to my 55" plasma.....
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  12. rd400racer

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    Maybe you all can explain something to me about 4K (or it might just be me). I was at my BIL's last year and he has 4K. He had some old movie on and the picture was actually freakish...I know that's not a great description, it just didn't even seem real. I didn't care for it, but might just be me. Anybody else notice this with 4K?
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  13. Disco Stu

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    The LG OLEDB7A is really teasing me to buy it.
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  14. Nico

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    Settings play a big part in that. I fiddled with higher contrast levels on my Samsung 65" 4k. The picture took on a weird layered look, almost CGI-like. Turned the contrast down a bit and it was much better, more realistic. I've done a lot of tweaking to get the set where I like it. When streaming or spinning 4k, the picture is phenomenal. Most other times it is just very nice. I'm happy with my choice.
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    You described it perfectly!...almost a CGI appearance. The weird thing is he had an old Fred Astaire movie on and it almost gave me a headache because it seemed so unreal. I thought all 4K's were like that. Glad to hear that tweaking makes that look go away.
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  17. KLRcaptain

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    Setting the refresh rate too high does that as well , you probably don't but if you want to read about it , google " soap opera effect refresh rate" .
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  18. efzee

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    Another setting to check out is any kind of 'Cinema' setting. When I first got my Sony, I had to turn off a ton of stuff like that ("motionvue"?, adaptive contrast, adaptive brightness, etc). It was trying to make any content look like 24 fps movies or something. Very weird. You notice it immediately, almost like the content is 3D.
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  19. Oldenuftaknowbetter

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    Video is broadcast at 60 frames per second, or 60 Hz. Some sets double or even quadruple this frame rate by a process of interpolation. For example, in the case of a 120hz set, the tv’s processor will sample the 60 incoming frames and raise that to 120hz by taking 2 incoming real frames, interpolating what an intermediate frame “between” those two real frames would look like, and placing those artificial frames in between the real ones. The intent of this was to reduce blur during fast motion due to the relatively slow pixel response time of LCD displays. An “LED” tv is actually an lcd tv backlit by leds instead of the fluorescent array used in early lcd sets. With led illumination the blur can be reduced by turning the leds on and off twice or even several times during each 1/60th second frame, so fewer sets these days use the frame interpolation, though some combine the two methods.

    It’s called “Soap Opera Effect” because it usually smooths out and eliminates the grain structure inherent in film based content like that old Fred Astaire movie so it looks like content originally shot on hi-def video. An almost eerie or disturbingly “too real” look.

    This frame interpolation can almost always be turned off to eliminate the effect but you usually have to drill down several layers in the picture setting menu to find it. If you see something that says “smoothing” that’s usually it.

    Digital noise reduction, while not related to frame rate, can also make the picture look unnatural.

    Could also be that that Astaire movie was shot originally with the old 3 strip technicolor process which has a very distinctive look. Technicolor was used for virtually all color movies made from the thirties (Gone With The Wind or the 1938 Errol Flynn Robin Hood), for example) through the mid fifties when it was often combined with CinemaScope.

    http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/oldcolor/technicolor1.htm

    http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/lobby.htm

    And just for fun they started adding surround sound (in 1941!)

    http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/sound/fantasound1.htm
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  20. shores

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    The 4k on the higher end Sony upscale all.1080p to 4k with precision
    Lower end tv from other makes will do it but not the quality the Sony does
    It actually recreates new frames in between to smooth it out

    Also the new hdr settings on the Sony make things ridiculously lifelike
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