2001 Reflex 250...Any good?

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  1. Steve_h

    Steve_h Been here awhile

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    Got a chance to get a reflex 250, 16k miles, for less than $700. It needs the seat recovered. I can see that from the pictures. Other than that, the bodywork looks pretty good.

    Is this a good scoot or a problem wrapped in a pretty skin? I know there are several of you out there that own Reflexes so I thought I'd ask before jumping in.

    I have just seen an ad and have not had a chance to talk with the owner yet so things may change depending on what he has to say but right now it looks pretty good.
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  2. JerseyBiker

    JerseyBiker Living the life!

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    It depends. A few years back I've bought a reflex that had been sitting for several years. Despite lots and lots of work, I never could get it running properly again. I'm not a great mechanic so it might have been me.

    On the other hand , I have had several other reflexes that ran quite well. If it has been maintained it should be good for many more miles . The Reflex is one of my favorite scoots. They normally run well, are easy to maintain and cheap to fix the few times they break.

    I make no comment on the price itself. Others here seem better at pricing scoots than I am.

    Edit I see you are near me so I checked the ad. It looks pretty rough . Likely took a hit on the right side. The brake lever is bent. On the plus side the seller is now asking 675. Go take a look.What have you got to lose?
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  3. Steve_h

    Steve_h Been here awhile

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    I got in contact with the owner and will get to check it out either Sunday or Monday. He's out of town for the weekend.
    He said there are some scratches on both sides where it's been dropped in the garage(according to the previous owner) but it runs and drives great. New battery, brakes, rear tire. It was bought for his wife to learn to ride but she showed no interest. So, after having it a couple years, he's selling instead of keeping up with insurance, taxes, registration and losing value for it sitting. He said there is nothing wrong with it mechanically and he wouldn't hesitate to jump on it and go wherever but it has the cosmetic issues.
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    bikeridermark Long timer

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    Good price. Bodywork scratches? No big deal, unless you want a showpiece. I've had two, still have one. Really good scooter.
    Change the belt, if it wasn't done already.
    There's some easy mods to help performance.
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  5. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    Honda scooters are very solid bikes, well engineered and durable. They seem to tolerate neglect pretty well. Parts are fairly easy to get from lots of sources and used on ebay. If one doesn't run well it's almost always someone has "worked" on it that didn't know what they were doing, so if you are willing to learn, or if you do know how to work on machines now, you can fix them. They really are not that complicated.

    The plastic is somewhat fragile and does scratch and crack easily. Much of it is still available from Honda.
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  6. Steve_h

    Steve_h Been here awhile

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    I've been looking on the net for reviews and so far the worst thing I have seen is someone said he was cramped on it and someone said it cost too much. All the reviews have been just glowing about how wonderful a bike it is.

    Wentwest, you hit on the worst part about scooters. Fragile plastics and as they get older all the spares get gone then you have a great bike with no bodywork.

    I'm not looking for a showpiece just a good reliable scoot that is big enough for me to go pretty much wherever I want to ride to. Maybe an overnight every once in a while. I want to know I can depend on it to get me there and back without problems. It's nice if it reasonably presentable but I'd rather ride something that looks like I drug it out of a swamp where it had been for 50 years that is dependable instead something pretty that is always broken.

    From the few minutes that I talked with the owner, he said it had been well cared for. It has 6mo old battery, new back tire, new brakes, runs and drives great. I am happy to see it has typical Honda quality. Not the latest, greatest technological gadgets available but good, reliable tried and true design typical of Honda production vehicles.

    Looks like from what you have all said, I should go look at it and give it serious consideration.

    Thank you all for your replies and anyone else anyone else who would like to offer any words of wisdom, please do so. I would like to hear.
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  7. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    buy it at that price since running and driving well looking nice there are 1500 bucks. The seat cover that fits like stock ebay sells them for 50 bucks. The worst thing that you might have to do is clean the carb up . Replace any tires that are over 5 year old. Google how to read tire date codes. From were I m sitting at 700 bucks you can ride it for years and still get you 700 bucks back when you sell it. . As to the paint damage you can buy cheap colour match wrap from wrapmatch.com that you stick on and makes any car/ scooter look ok from 10 feet away. You give them the oem paint code and they ship it out to you.
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  8. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    You can buy a seat cover that fits very well and goes on very easy from https://scooterseatcovers.net/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37_55

    I bought one and it looked very good, just as it I had had the seat reupholstered.

    Over the years I've "rescued" quite a few Honda scooters, and found them to respond very well to maintenance. They aren't perfect, but they are reliable and sturdy, and if they are hard to start it's usually fixable by anyone who is not intimidated by a machine. Youtube videos show you how. Make certain you listen carefully as you start from a stop on your test ride, to hear whether there's a whine that rises in pitch as you speed up. It will disappear when you get above 30 or so, but below that if you can hear it easily, that could be bad. There's a reduction gear box by the rear wheel that has lube oil in it and almost no one checks it. If it runs dry you hear that whine, and it's very expensive to fix. Not a common problem, but one I do look for.
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    Sounds like he's been keeping it road worthy and ready to ride the past couple of years. Sounds like a GREAT price for a road worthy bike that will do 70mph.
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  10. Steve_h

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    That's kind of what I was thinking too. He said he's ridden it a few times just to make sure it was ok but he has a Harley that he rides and feels funny on the scooter.

    Wonder how that scoot would do in the mountains. Be nice to just be able to cruise and not have to do all that gear changing. Maybe I'll go ride the dragon on it if I get it. These things hang pretty good in the twisties?

    I wish it would just go ahead and warm up. It's getting tiring having rain for the past 6 weekends in a row and temps that aren't really warm enough for riding. I abundle up and ride anyway if it's not raining.
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    I think that is great price myself. A new belt, roller/slider combo, some new tires, I'll bet she will give someone another 20,000 of excellent riding time. Dang, I never find those nuggets close to me.
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    I tried going to "wrapmatch.com"...would not show up. "googled" it and results indicated maybe not trust worthy. ???
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  13. Steve_h

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    OK guys. I bought the scoot. I'll have pictures soon. It runs and rides good. New rubber both ends. Starts right up. Everything works. Few minor scratches on the right side. Just one thing, the lock to get the seat open is messed up. How do I get the seat open without using the key lock?
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  14. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    That's really a challenge. If you have long skinny arms you can thread your arm up between the left cover and the inner storage tub, up to the place where the lock attaches to the cable that pulls on the latch, which may have pulled free from the lockset. You could pull on the cable wire. The actual latch is closer to the front of the scooter and the seat opens up to the right side. If you look at the parts blow-up at https://www.cmsnl.com/honda-nss250-2002-2-usa_model35208/partslist/F++19.html#results, you'll see a layout of what it's all about. It's a massive pain in the butt.
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  15. Steve_h

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    Looks like it is a really massive pain. There's two latches. One is on the side and the other is at the back of the seat.

    I'll give it a shot. The problem is the key doesn't turn the lock cylinder. It looks sort of messed up like somebody might have tried to screwdriver it.
    All the other locks work fine.
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  16. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    Try shooting a spray of graphite lock lube into the keyhole, then sit on the seat while you try to turn the key. The mechanism could be jammed because it's adjusted wrong. You might need a new lock cylinder after the seat is opened, but when you do get it open take the latch catches off the seat so it can't lock again. It won't fly open when you are riding and when you stop leave the storage empty. Remember to take out the bulb from the light or the battery will die (I replaced the bulb with an LED after I killed the battery a few times).
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  17. Akais

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    If Wentwest's graphite spray does not do the trick, here is something else to try. The space between the lock cylinder and the actual latch is about 8" with the lock being behind the latch. In between those two locations is the upper vent hole in the cowling. I have not tried this but I have heard of people using a bent coat hanger snagging the cable through that vent hole and pulling it down and unlatching the seat. Hopefully the graphite spray unlocks it but if it doesn't you can try this method.

    BTW you got a heck of a deal on that bike. I have heard of several people that are on their 3rd or 4th Reflex (I'm on my first one). I like mine because now I can ride with everyone. I have friends who ride tourning Harleys, BMW GS's, Triumph's and a bunch of scooter riders too. All of them ride secondary surface roads (no interstates) and this scooter is right at home on them. Several people ride these on the interstate too but it's just not for me. The only speed mod I have done to mine is to change out the variator face with a Big Ruckus variator and some 21 gram sliders. That helped the acceleration quite a bit, top speed is still faster than I want to go. If the PO did not change the belt, you can do that and the variator at the same time. All the parts should be right at $100.
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    I got the seat open. I am pretty sure somone did try to screwdriver it to break into it at some time. The key just flops around in the cylinder...it's all messed up inside. You can twist it just enough to be able to pull the seat upward sort of hard and get it to open. I found that there's nothing in there but I do need the battery cover plastic piece. It's not there and the guy I got it from said it wasn't there when he got it.

    I was able to take it for about a 10 mile ride this evening. It ran great. I don't think I have any dash lights. The sun wasn't quite down when I was riding but in the dark areas I couldn't see any light from any of the gauges. I really liked the way it handles. Ride could be a little better over the bumps but it seems just about all scooters are sort of rough on bumps. It could also do with 3 or 4 more inches of seat height and a little more rise in the front of the seat to help prevent you from wanting to move forward. I'll never get used to you have to have the kickstand up to start it. And a parking brake on a 2-wheeler is definitely a new one on me.

    Idle is a bit low. I'll have to set that this weekend. It's supposed to be relatively warm Friday and Sunday with rain on Saturday. I'll be putting some miles on it this weekend for sure. I haven't forgotten about the pictures. Just haven't had time.

    I want to thank everyone for your insights and advice. I am sure I'll have plenty more questions.
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  19. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    Might have to change out a fuse if theres no dash lights. cook that it runs and drives well. Most honda oem scooter shocks kind of are like pogo sticks .
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    ...Also to give you some perspective, Honda '05 and '06 Big Ruckus (which is exactly the same scooter except for the variator face) sell easily for $3K plus. My opinion is the Reflex is the secret Honda deal of the century!
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