2016 OFFICIAL DAKAR f5irehose - THANK YOU ALL F5 posters and lurkers!

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  1. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente #501 Team f5oolery

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    Anton... the press release mentions in one line only; "matched to lighter tires from Michelin"... and even if at THAT moment, the other teams decided to avail themselves of the MICHELIN tire developed in conjunction for PEUGEOT... the date -September 22 ?? :eek7

    That hardly gave the other teams an opportunity (even had it been offered) to purchase and prepare (let alone test the configuration on their vehicles) of this new design breakthrough - prior to the DAKAR ships departure in November...

    MINI and TOYOTA are quite justified I think in being more than just a little bit pissed about this clandestine "co-operation" between Bibendum and the Lion...

    Of course... the "other" factory teams may just choose to vote with their feet this coming year (paying customers) in reaction to the favourtism that Michelin have opted to show in this instance?
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    Hmmm...... no, wonder if that would be even possible... u know, ASO ;)
  3. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente #501 Team f5oolery

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    HP = "off piste"... yes, for what... a grand total of 5.4 km's...? :rolleyes

    They drop in and out of a canyon (wash/gully) for about 5km's, then get on a feint track for 1500m's or so over a summit and the rejoin a main track RP P (Piste Principal).

    So this is DAKAR 2016...?

    Why, there's more "off road" in Denmark even, than that...? :rofl
  4. yardracer

    yardracer stubborn cow

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    Article from Gazetta.it by my friend Maria Guidotti ( crappy gogle translation)

    Coma: "Now is Dakar sprint, but will report the ancient spirit"

    The multiple winner, now D.S. race: "The African raid is far: was extreme, with the need to understand the desert, and now counts more speed. Now come the most extreme stages and eventually win the same as complete: surprised by Loeb and Peugeot . My goal, however, is to bring back the old adventure "

    January 10, 2016 - jumps (Argentina)
    The Dakar look at the new Marc Coma. With the Spanish legend who hung up his helmet to become the new sporting director of the Rally, the race of motorcycles will see a new winner after ten years of absolute domination of the duo Coma- Despres who divided equally victories. "No regrets - commented Coma - I was ready for a new challenge. The most exciting moment was just the long applause at the start in Buenos Aires during the first briefing of the pilots. I was not expecting." Called to bring the race closer to the needs of riders, Marc has helped to give a more human face to the race. "At the end of each special talk with the pilots, I want to know how was your leg. I collect the comments from the first to the last of the competitors. The riders can count on the support team, but not lovers. It is very important the dialogue. I learn so much and they feel secure. "
    Let's step back. How has the race than when you ran the African continent?"The Dakar in Africa now seems distant. It was the Adventure with a capital A, a real challenge for everyone, riders and assistance. But time passes and we can not remain anchored to a romantic vision of the race. Everything is changed. In terms of logistics, teams, drivers, technology and electronics. In Africa, it was important to understand the desert. Now with the presence of real team official it has become more of a sprint race. The speed has become increasingly important, but once again win the most complete driver. Not only that, those who seek adventure, still can be found. I think the drivers in the category Malle Moto, without mechanical or support team. My goal is to bring to the fore this spirit of adventure. "

    What novelties introduced Marc 'pilot'?"
    I introduced changes in sports to put the pilot in the middle of the race, such as the regime of parc fermé in the first of two marathon stages with the ban for the drivers to work on the bikes, and the increasing gap in the order of Starting (an interval of three minutes for the first ten riders and two minutes between the eleventh and twentieth). It is an important innovation that I think has been underestimated. Now the pilot is longer alone in the special, there are fewer race tactics and especially to return to sail. This year we also introduced the starting order for the top ten mixed motorcycles, cars and trucks in special Belen. It is the first time, but it could be a way to assess the way forward ".

    How do you respond to the pilots who complained of a navigation too easy?"
    The first week was raced mainly on the main slopes and the navigation was quite simple. With the entry into Bolivia and the ring on the Salar de Uyuni, the race began to change things with special longer and navigate. A level path we must consider that after the passage of more than 350 competitors in motorcycles, quads, cars and trucks, it is as if a war had passed. So there are passages "obliged", due to the type of soil, but also the presence of national parks or private areas. "

    What can we expect for the second week of the race?"
    There are many off-piste and the dunes. With Belen, Fiambala, Rioja and San Juan becomes the real Dakar extreme. Will be four decisive stages with a navigation lasts. People talk a lot about when the race was in Africa, but if we consider the first stops in Europe and two in Morocco with 15 km of sand in the dunes of Merzouga, in Africa were only 5-6 days of open desert. I think of Black Africa and Mauritania. At the end are the days we even here. "

    Returning to the race, surprised by the extraordinary performance of Loeb, winner soon to debut?
    "Startled Loeb, but also the superiority of the half. Seb is a great champion and when he gets a Peugeot factory team as the difference is "brutal". I think Mini and Toyota have the support of the house, but are not factory factory ".He spoke with Loeb?"Yes, but I deal more with Elena, the co-pilot, because it has the feeling of the road book. He told me that he was a bit special 'headaches when he has read the notes! Now for them will come a second part race more complicated. But I'm happy. I'm not surprised to see Loeb at the briefing. When I was a pilot I always went to the briefing. All samples do because sometimes you see so much just by the expression, by the look of the sports director, more eloquent than many words. And this can not convey the team manager. "Who sees favorite among bike?"Sportivamente is an interesting year. It's nice to see a new generation of riders coming from enduro. All very competitive. The race is still open, among the favorites see the first three of the general Goncalves, Price and Svitko. But Quintanilla , Benavides and Meo are doing a good race. "
  5. LocuL

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    Well i assumed that there were more to it.

    Denmark...we could not even have half a stage. Well yes but that would be freeway...
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  6. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente #501 Team f5oolery

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    I was an attempt at humour (I live across the water)... a lot of you guys come here to Sweden to find open tracts of forest to ride.

    My point being, that 5.40 km's of "off piste" terrain is not much. True... there may well be other sectors of HP elsewhere in the stage - but 5.4 km's is hardly "out into the wilderness"... is it? :augie

    I think that is the jist of what many comments regarding the WRC nature of this years DAKAR course are referring to.

    The map guru's like Myway and HogWild could verify this far better than I... but in previous editions of the DAKAR in Peru, Chile and Argentina, there can be HP sectors of 10, 15 maybe up to 20 km's (perhaps not always continuous). In the (good old) Africa days, it was not uncommon to have HP sectors in the larger ergs of 25 to 30 km's at a time.

    The "special stage" feeling of el DAKARO has never been more evident than this year... and the environmental footprint considerations that Coma mentioned in the interview above (Yardracer posted) indicate to me, that this trend will worsen... not improve.
    The Chiléan and Peru authorities in recent years have met claims of environmental and archeological impact the DAKARs passage has had in certain areas... this tells me that "tracks and trails" on roadbook notes are going to be easier to find and get approval for in future, than old school "cross country" routes by the GPS and compass.
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    Where are the assistance trucks?
  8. HogWild

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    Here's that piece of the roadbook. It's SO EASY to map this when the roadbook is available!
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  10. rickmdz

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    This is a key issue now and will be in the future. There's opposition to this race in all those countries with the main argument being the 'destruction' of ecosystems and archaeological sites!?!?.
    I tell everybody that questions the race to just look at pictures and TV broadcast and see if they can find any race action outside pre-established paths, most of them are still convinced they go cross country destroying anything they find in the way.
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    rickmdz Been here awhile

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    Newbie question, is there any indication that there's a WP in that "loop"? Otherwise could you just continue through the river bed and enter on the bottom part? It looks like there might be and access there too

    Edit: I see it now at km 132.4 WPM
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    Happy to see my meme being used again. ;) Created it back in 2013 I believe...
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  14. Deadly99

    Deadly99 Fast and Far

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    Oh ah...my whiny bitchy posts were well timed ;)

    I'm stoked the competitors are expressing a similiar opinion...Marc seems (and by all indications is) very passionate about the Dakar and what separates it from other rr's. If I were a betting man I'd bet next year's rally has far less rally stages an much more raid stages.

    2nd week....bring it on :pynd

    If all goes as I think it will, Speedy and Helder are going to excel. Experience should prevail over out right speed :thumb
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    auguzt get on with it

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    Speedy AND Gonk?

    So it's WE, once more?
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    Thank you very much for that, my brain was rotting from eurosports top 10 lists.
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    I see we corrected myself before you could quote it :1drink
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    rickmdz Been here awhile

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    Amazing!
    I know you're a regular here, I'm not, what's your story? you live in that area? Rode there?
    Enjoy your posts same as other inmates here!
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    Stage 9, the mixed starting order shoukd be interesting. Curious to see how that plays out.