2018 DAKAR RALLY COVERAGE a.k.a. firehose thread

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  1. Mr Head

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    One hope for Races 2 Places I think is Dakar coverage bumps the Patreon subscriptions to where editing all those millions of minutes is closer to paid for.
  2. Myway

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  3. yardracer

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    what's the forecast for this week?
  4. waldecker

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    Another speculation post:

    Wondering about KTM team dynamics/tactics as the race evolved- from the outset it seemed clear that Sundersam as the title holder, and the dune master he is, would try and maximize his advantage over the first 5 days (which he did ).

    Walkner is always perceived to be somewhat weak in navigation, but having speed to

    burn .Having been second in 2017 he certainly is keen to go up one step, so he seems to try and run with - and cover the fast guys from the other teams- and he succeeded, being the highest ranking KTM

    TP obviously plays the long game- whether due to injury or not we won't know-trying to stay in touch during the dune stages and put the hammer down later- and he succeeded as well, being only seconds from BB who should be main rival for the overall win.

    Meo’s role seems less clear- coming back from a nasty injury he probably is filling the joker role, trying to hang in there until the picture becomes clear during the second week- and he is right up there as well.

    Which leaves the question of team dynamics- at least on Red Bull media TP and Meo seem to have bonded, sharing a camper and all jokes and friendly rivalry after battling for the stage win. Wonder whether they have come to an agreement to try and move up together with TP getting support from Meo…

    With Sundersam out of the race Walkner appears to be the odd one out, shadowing the guys from other teams more than forming a battle pack with his team mates.

    He does fly a bit under the radar in the media; initially being perceived as Kini’s pick to deliver the Austrians a win he now is overshadowed by his victorious team mates- he might feel that 2018 has to be his year- if TP or Meo beat him now he will always be playing second fiddle to the golden boys..

    Interesting to say the least, and a big task for the team manager to keep the band together for another week!
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  6. Mouse

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    True, Dan, while we have plenty of riders here I don't see bikes as primary means of transport sort of stuff, we are heavily reliant upon cars etc and bikes are just escape toys.

    Think meo is being groomed for future rides, I expect that Toby is chasing a car ride and bikes are the foot in the door, imo short of a win this year it's debatable whether he will front again on a bike if he has any concept of self preservation left.

    It's Matthias I don't get atm but don't know how the next sections will suit him, since Sam took himself out hias seems stuck a bit in no mans land. Maybe he's been there so far to stretch out the competition a lot in the interim.
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  7. Myway

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    All the debate of sponsorship etc makes me think of North America where no-one knows a thing about rallying. Any privateer trying to drum up sponsorship faces an uphill battle with little return. There is no TV coverage so why would any big teams look at riders from here as it won’t help sell product to unknowing customers. Having thrown $$ at Jonah for most of his entries and following most of his Dakar’s I can’t help but wonder what he could have done with a full factory ride? No Canadians have ever even remotely come close. At this rate we’ll never know.
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  9. too old

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    And Luciano Benevides?
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    Race time changed -5 to -4
  11. BergDonk

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    Don't forget good guy and 5 time MX champ Joel Smets, with 3 of them on a Husaberg, a proper man's bike!
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    +1 for Rahier for me - he was the "main man" when I first became interested ( obsessed ? ) with the Dakar as a kid.

    I met him at the first Australian Safari ( started in Sydney ) - he was tiny ! With his 1000 Beemer on its centre stand, the top of the screen was taller than him. I got a pic of him with his arms around 2 Marlboro girls ( OK, they were tall & in high heels ) and he was staring them square in the b00bs. To get mobile, he stood beside the bike, pulled the clutch in, put it into gear with his right hand, then let the clutch out and swung up onto the bike as it started moving.

    How he rode it in deep sand is beyond me, he obviously just didn't stop. Most recent Dakar winning riders these days are big guys - and they aren't manhandling 1000cc monsters with 50+ litres of fuel.

    Rahier is still a hero to me.
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    I wonder what would be the outcome of having any of the Aliens (MD or CdP) running MM without the unlimited budget they are use to play with?
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    Been a crazy week, anything that could go wrong basically has, some of my own doing some of the rally Gods testing my will & spirit. It's all good, has become some what comical. I'll do a full summary at some point. Marathon tomorrow!!
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    Ha! Go git ‘em King Conger!!!!
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    Maybe it is the similarity in terrain, or maybe it is the mild sleep deprivation that comes with following Dakar, but every time I read one of these summaries I hear it in my head in the voice of the announcer for the pod-races in the Star Wars movies. :choppa:D
  19. VRRR1

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    KTM only dominated because BMW left leaving only KTM factory participation. So having the best machine when yours is the only (factory supported) machine is not hard. The domination is gone because other factories are back. Yamaha (semi factory) and Honda. KTM still have the best support which is a big thing considering the nature of the race. Since KTM made the dakar their focus they have managed to get "marketing share" which is NB in any field , does not make it the best product on its own but market infiltration makes it the best choice. So many KTM's entered equals many support trucks and spares. Again a very important decision ie Support Structure. KTM still rule that department at Dakar since it has been their focus and domination for a long period. If Honda do not provide customer purchasable bike they will never realize the same support structure. Yamaha as well some kind of factory program incentive that make sense for a rider to choose a Yamaha over the "parts every where " KTM deal. The other smaller teams support only their bike specific like Sherco , Hero etc . You not going to easily bump into another rider on a Hero that might be able to assist you with bike parts for you to complete the Rally. Lots of other brands the exact problem with completing the Dakar is that exact problem support structure. Enter on an XR650R back in the day and the support structure was a huge part of the result. XR400's for example have very good finish rate stats because they are easy to ride and are reliable you are just not going to win on one. Its a good thing the Dakar is no longer a KTM club race like when WSBK was a Ducati cup affair. It improves the series the more manufacturers that are involved and the more that are able to win on any given day. Make it more exiting to watch and that means larger audience which is larger media which means bigger investment . Now they want to impose rules on the buggy class because Peugeot are dominating. Peugeot will just pull out like BMW motorcycles did when they changed the rules to restrict their money input which halted BMW domination and started the KTM domination which they never effected rule change to stop as that for a long period as that would end their only factory interest.So the only bike really to use was the 690 as it was the only one that was in sync with the rules at the time. The rule that really changed this was the 450cc rule which brought back interest from other manufacturers as they all had 450cc off road bikes. Good for the Dakar !
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    Go Bill go!!! Take it one day at a time!
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