2018 DAKAR RALLY COVERAGE a.k.a. firehose thread

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  1. Ferrys

    Ferrys Been here awhile

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    Sometimes things are not black or white. You don´t wake up one day and say, well, I am going to the MM class. First of all orga will look at your application and have a laugh. After that nice idea, you will be building your CV to be a contender, getting into that world, meeting people, etc. After all the clouds start to dissapear, your wallet half empty, and, if you are in the mood, you use those contacts and arrange to be part of a team. They have the knowledge, the tools, the contacts. the mechanic. You go to the presentation of the new edition in your country, meet the Dakar representative, talk to Coma, if you are in Spain or France (I will assume). Perhaps you will have a chance.
    You buy a KTM Rally, if you have the money and of course the best option. Or as many do, buy a Yama or Honda (not many anymore) at your local dealer. If you start building the bike yourself, big chance you will have a busy day trying to get all stamps the days before the start. So you bring it to the people who know. After all the pain and sorrow, you build up your knowledge, your network, you know what you are talking about and most important, you know how to put all mechanicals parts of a bike in a box, you are ready for the MM. You will not have any problem to find extra space for whatever you want at a good price. And I have the feeling orga will not bother you much, even less after the rest day.
    In a few words, to be part of the start list is a tough way. I know people who tried their way, and were never accepted, and other doing the home work and after all (effort, money and years), even in the Malles class.

    When people talk about the best Dakar, perhaps is misunderstood. The sense of adventure, navigation, toughness, the spirit of the Dakar. That´s what Coma is bringing or people feel. Baja´s are american style.

    For spanish speaking, here is alien Marc Marquez and Dakar.
    http://rtve.es/v/4415882
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  2. too old

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    Sorry Mouse - threw you a dummy there - that was only the first few words - the phone was playing up :lol3
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  3. Mouse

    Mouse I'm only smelly

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    They should hold positions pretty much and preserve for day 2 was my thinking but yep, there is bambam.

    You assume tyre marking is not bike specific? I couldn't confirm that out of the regs but a tyre swap looks like a 3 hour minimum penalty and probably more. An engine swap is only 15' minutes for a first offence, applied to both riders.
  4. GSDane

    GSDane Ride like a girl

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    Just watched another fantastic episode of Lyndon's videos... Episode 10 - stage 6 :clap

    Had to pause/replay it at this shot... what a fantastic shot.
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    And had a laugh when LP just finished the special stage... after being freezing cold on the liason and hours of hard riding - and the next shot of a completely relaxed Uncle Rick picking his favorite icecream :lol3

    Thanks to everyone in this and other threads for posting links for videos and other awesome stuff... makes it a lot easier to make sure that I don't miss out on any of the good stuff around :super
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  5. too old

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    Pretty sure a tyre/wheel swop between bikes on the Marathon is allowed without penalty - could be wrong though - I am frequently :D
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  6. Mouse

    Mouse I'm only smelly

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    Red herrings are very useful on and off a race track...
  7. GSDane

    GSDane Ride like a girl

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  8. Mouse

    Mouse I'm only smelly

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    Reply to too old, his "I could be wrong". A red herring is to lead someone up the wrong track (usually) intentionally etc thus sometimes a bit of disinformation can be useful
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  9. too old

    too old Keen supporter

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    And a bit smelly :lol3 - what’s wrong with your reply button?
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  10. Mouse

    Mouse I'm only smelly

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    Yeah I do that, I reply to conversations without quoting everything, I'm a considerate type, looking after baldy's overheads...

    See, I did it again.
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  11. Mouse

    Mouse I'm only smelly

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    And just to confuse issues sometimes I respond to much earlier posts without direct reference. My bad, I assume people can follow conversations without prompts and can remember a page back.

    Damn, when's this bloody race kick off again, I'm getting :dirtdog
  12. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Xplorer

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    oh totally agree on the ''wake up plan'' . You have to have a resume and even if I am not mistaken @JMo (& piglet) was one of the people in here who were not accepted at some point, even if they were in the previous years. I know it first hand. Had plenty of time during the two weeks of last year's Eco Race to talk about all that with riders and mechanics.
    What I am saying is that a budget imposed strategy, makes much more sense for the ''spirit'' of Malle Moto. Otherwise, in this category, if I happen to have the resume and a neat campaign I can have unlimited spares. No? :scratch So that in my book, is two MM classes. The honest, budget ones, and the others, the ones that have the budget, during yesterday's rest day to go into their 'friends' take a set of serviced forks, swap them and call it a day, while others have to do it with their bare hands. That is an advantage in this class in my opinion. Has happened and it will happen again, so as an orga I'd say 4? 5? Dunno $x amount and then you choose wisely what to bring. Otherwise the ''one man, one box, one bike'' is a kind of fiasco, in it? One box in the MM bivvy, and one car outside :lol2 .
    What I mean is that somehow the class should be leveled out. The sense of adventure... navigation... toughness. In effect may be. But if I am MM, and I came 10th, because all the people in front of me have unlimited $$ by some fans, then sir, how can I go to my hard found honest sponsors again asking them for support? Either I have to explain them the game, start going Kardashian style with a hairdo that Samantha Fox would be jealous off, or call it a day and understand that in this world marketing is better than most things. This is my take. Especially again for the malle motos. How you got in the starting line, fees, sponsored bike etc, I would not care more if I was orga. But after the starting line I'd say ''get $5k'' spend the wisely. This way I'd level the field. My 2c of course and nothing personal with all these guys who are true heros. The MM I mean. The others have it tough, but their mechanics have it tougher. Believe me, I did not sleep properly for 14 days in Eco Race and spanerring is one of the most stressful things a mechanic can do. You see here in F5rehose, people talk about the riders mostly. Nothing is said for the poor guy that works in the rain to fix the bike. He forgets one screw and the whole 100k budget for a top rider is in the black hole like that. Of course the pro teams have drivers, so mechanics can sleep while they go to the next bivouac, in Eco race that was not the case and for me this is the true spirit. Stress everybody to hell. Even the factories. Reach everybody's limits. Riders, machines, cars, support teams. The lot. This is why, in effect, they started the penalty with the engines. Because otherwise, nobody would care less to develop a reliable engine, they'd go with 14 engines for the bikes and call it a day. That would be another way to self level even the MM class. 'Get another set of forks, out of your 5k budget? That is 'x' minutes of penalty' . But something to level it, that is what I think is missing.
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  13. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Xplorer

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    See, that is one kind of leveling. Do that more. I say 4 or five Marathon stages. Then the mechanics can take some rest :dunno:lol2 . Marathon in the Eco Race we were calling it rest day for us :rofl
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  14. HOTPASS

    HOTPASS F*ck cancer.

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    I don't have any Long insightful dissertations on rally, but I did spend rest day riding my Poser rally bike and imagining I was in the desert while it was 40f with roads lined with snow.


    Honestly, I'm just happy the Dakar(or any international x-country rally still exist at all in this day and age. As much as I'd love to see it more "hardcore" and marathon and MM style, I think we have to be honest with what pays the Dakar bills, and that's spectators and fans. Without the pampered exciting racers doing the action at the front end, I think it would loose a lot of that spectator/fan engagement. A lot less people want to see 150 dudes on bikes in misery and self preservation mode for two weeks.

    All hail Lord Thierry. :pope
  15. Mouse

    Mouse I'm only smelly

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    Isn't spannering what a mechanic does??

    Rather like your post, 640, the frustration boils bright.

    Don't know you can level the field, don't know that you should, while perhaps the only person to remember who came second is the racer who does so I don't think you do a mm cause winning is your goal, it's the lining up for a Dakar that counts and beyond that every day you avoid the snowball is a bonus.

    Some people will always be better looking, will have more money, that's life. Don't reduce the event to the lowest common denominator, let it cater to everyone who can properly line up.
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  16. kingorange

    kingorange Been here awhile

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    Check out the stunning brunette at around the 8.50min mark, wow.



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    GSDane Ride like a girl

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    Thanks, making sense... including the smelly bit :D

    And did figure out to link your words with my question :lol3
  18. too old

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    Certainly not from experience, but I would suggest MM is more akin to climbing Everest, not can I get up there in the fastest time.

    If you happen to do so then that’s a bonus - or - is the MM class morphing into a race also?
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  19. Mouse

    Mouse I'm only smelly

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    Here you'd bet on two flies crawling up a wall so yep, everything's a race, even drinking a beer.

    Is mm not a race in a race? If it wasn't then why keep the score? :1drink

    As I understand the various noises coming out of the lp camp he's wanting a race, I'm keeping all his stuff for post Dakar so I have something left to wean me off this drug...
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  20. 640 Armageddon

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    And the countries that Dakar pa$$e$ through eh? Let's not forget that... :pope


    Spannering is what mechanic does, of course. What I say is that most people don't give them credit. Nether did I. Till I was called to the duty and lived it from inside. :eyes Nothing to do with the MM thing, just to show that the MM people are not only 'just spannering' the attention to detail and method should be exact. Otherwise the whole plan will fail. But not only in servicing, but in riding, you have to protect the bike gear if you do not have spares. But if you have, would you care? :scratch

    I respectfully disagree on your reduction comment. Boundaries exist in life and in our society. So in racing. Else, leave the engine rule out of the game. And let HRC create a 200Hp 450cc that needs an engine in every stage. Leave the MM to carry all the spares they want because prince Al whatever decided to race that class. Makes no sense. As too old just said, MM is getting the bike to the finish line. But if you have a new suspension every day, imo you have more chances of doing it. Yes, you can, but let's call that the MM$$ class or something. So the FOLLOWERS in Facebook, or the world can differentiate and understand the classes in a better way. Screw the $$ rule. But call them something different. Because they are. And from my experience, 90% of the people never knew that this could be done, 90% was 100% that ''all there is in that box'' was the way the class was.
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