A Vent/ request for help/ideas/ is it normal to think like this?

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by canoli, Dec 13, 2017.

  1. canoli

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    Thanks guys. Doing the re-hab is NOT the problem. As a former triathlete I'm very familiar with no pain no gain, and I'm at the gym 5x a week. But having a shooting sharp pain in the back when I sit on the couch just does not seem normal to me. Just came back from the Dr today and he wants an MRI just to make sure things are going well physically. Mentally...it's a cross between being grateful that I am alive and walking and at the same time frustrated as hell and wanting to choke slam someone.
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  2. PilbaraGoat

    PilbaraGoat Been here awhile

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    It is frustrating when unsure if all repair work has been successful.

    As we get older it seems the healing drags on and on. The aches from bone cracks last for years now and nerve damage repairs in a thoroughly random time frame.

    For the past, forgive (if you can) & forget (when you can).

    And as for the future, if you dont't have it in you to DECIDE to stop riding, you will end up back on a bike.

    Well that's how it seems to work for me.

    Bikes are becoming just so damned amazing these days as well - although perhaps more electrickery than is ideal for remote work.

    What about kayaking? Camping.
    Do you have kids of camping age?

    Sorry for warbling on, but it's a very real topic at some stage for most of us and worth engaging. Just this weekend our reigning finke champion sadly passed away in a racing accident.
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  3. canoli

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    Now that I've had a few days to calm down I no longer want to choke anyone. You're right getting old sucks and the body just seems to heal when it wants..not when I want it to.

    No kids, just the wife and yes a trip to the mountains could be in the works. For now though no kayaking or other boat things ( I shouldn't even walk on a dock) just because my back is a bit unstable. The MRI is in 2 weeks and if the doc likes what he sees I can get out of my back brace and start re-habbing it. I really want to buy a cheap sailboat and play on the lake with it and go fishing. Think that could be my summer hobby (once my back gets stronger).

    I also talked to the lawyer this past week and..lets just say I'll be happy if I will be able to cover the deductible for my insurance. And yes SOOO happy and grateful I have great insurance.

    Thans again,

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  4. CaptCapsize

    CaptCapsize Been here awhile

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    Get a sailboat! I was sailing for years before I started riding. For me there is nothing as soul soothing as sailing. To move effortlessly across the water is magic. Also, most sailing speeds are great for trolling for fish. When the wind picks up it can be challenging and a bit of and Adrenalin rush. It gives a similar feeling to riding with the connection to the environment around you. The sports of sailing and motorcycling are not mutually exclusive. But then, I have 3 sailboats and 3 motorcycles, so I may not be objective.

    As to rehab of you back injury, I hope for your full recovery. I injured my back, nothing broken just herniated. The pain has kept me company, still after 20+ years; attitude is everything. Also I recently started doing yoga, and it has made a world of difference in pain reduction and mobility; after you are healed that is!
    Good Luck!
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  5. Gurock1

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    It's good that you are on the mend!!! I'd get a lawyer if you haven't. The other driver owes you big time. I've had a few get offs over the years, not something that I'm proud of. All of them but two were high speed get offs on country roads that wrecked the bike, but with ATGATT and a guardian angel on my shopulder, I've never spent a day in a hospital from any of them. I high sided on the BRP going through a turn I came into at 70 MPH and walked away soar as hell. I low sided on I 90 at 60 MPH in the rain, and walked away just soar. I've been rear ended twice in Chicago traffic as well without injury of substance. With all that said the only get off that I've had in the last 60,000 miles is the one in November where a car hit me while I was standing still at a red light.

    Lessons that I think should be learned from your story are:

    1. That you did your best with more skills then many riders have, so anyone back seat quarterbacking your story is wrong.
    2. That city riding is much more dangerous than anywhere else. People talk about wearing hi-viz, steebel horns, lights like a Christmas Tree, and I'm not objecting, but the city is still very dangerous.
    3. That racing on your bike is the most dangerous, maybe the most fun, but the most dangerous.

    In time you will decide what's best for you and move on, thank god!
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  6. Plebeian

    Plebeian Scruffy-Looking Nerf Herder

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    Get a trailer and go off road. Lots of great bikes, gear, and parts to get into. Great workout and MUCH less danger to look out for.
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  7. canoli

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    BTDT and yeah I'm DONE with off road motorcycle racing. :lol3

    LINK
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  8. canoli

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    Don't worry.. when all is said and done in a few months I'll write up a lessons learned thread here.
    Thanks again for the good wishes everyone. I have an MRI coming up in a couple weeks and if all looks good I should be able to get out of my back brace and start working on getting my core back into shape.

    Cheers,
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  9. Plebeian

    Plebeian Scruffy-Looking Nerf Herder

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    Don't race man :nah

    Take it easy...:rayof
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  10. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    I can't answer for you Canoli, but every off I've had on a bicycle, the first thought has always been 'when can I ride again?!' ...including right now as a leg cramp of all things has done my right hamstring in

    Yes, I know our situations are different but once you've got 'the bug' it's very very hard to not do that thing. I still get the twitches when I think about my MG Midget and how much fun I had.

    It isn't like you can't change your mind later. If you're not comfortable getting on the bike, don't. It isn't the right time. It may be a little later. May not happen again as other things take the place of riding. I doubt it, but it's a possibility

    HTH

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  11. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    I've never crashed in 30 years riding. I know that its only a matter of time. Partly, for that reason, I don't ride nearly as much as I once did, and now pretty much only trips and local trails. I know that the fact I don't ride as much, means my skills aren't as sharp and feel it everytime I ride. That is dangerous, but so is lots of miles. Not sure what is safer

    Maybe, someone said this already, but what do the ones you'd leave behind have to say about you riding again? Luckily, my wife understands my riding, and road trips, but if something changed I'd feel obligated to her and her feelings. We aren't in this alone. If your family is ok with it, and you want to get back on the road, go for it. Otherwise, think seriously about your loved ones.

    Another option is just getting off pavement as much as possible. That's been my routine. Getting away from cagers and their phones goes a long ways towards staying safe.
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  12. canoli

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    I find myself looking at Craigs list bikes AND bikes for sale at the BMW/Triumph place I've had good dealings with in the past. Heading out for an MRI ( great way to spend a Friday night) and hope to hear that I will be able to take off my back brace.

    Thanks again guys and yes I will be posting a lessons learned from this.

    Canoli
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  13. canoli

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    A good friend of mine just invited me on a cross USA motorcycle trip sometime in 2019. This might be the catalyst to get me back on 2 wheels. Serious thinking/ drinking needs to be done.
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  14. AndrewSJC

    AndrewSJC Been here awhile

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    This conversation reminds me of some advice my dad (lifelong motorcyclist, professional driver, and dirt-track racer) gave me. He said before you decide to take a ride, take a step back and ask yourself: if you were seeing these conditions for the first time, would you think it was safe to ride in them? In other words, he was saying that you should assess the risk objectively. Don't be numbed into complacency. Pause and really look. If you were viewing these riding conditions not through the eyes of an eager rider, but instead unemotionally judging the risk, would it appear reasonably safe to take the ride you are about to take?

    My dad's point was that you need to intentionally engage your judgment every time you consider saddling up. Don't ride just because everyone else is going, or just because you need to get to work, or just because you have taken this ride many times before, or just because you want to. Look at the ride from the point of view of a disinterested observer assessing the potential danger, not the point of view of a guy who wants to go for a ride.

    As a practical matter, this means that I almost never commute by bike. Commuting in So. Cal. usually means riding in heavy traffic. Viewed objectively, it is ridiculously dangerous. Same for nighttime riding, and riding in bad weather: if you look at it with fresh eyes, it's kind of crazy. When I think about riding on the main roads of So. Cal., I don't think I can ride whenever I want, whenever I want. I see 2- or 3-ton vehicles hurtling along at 50 to 80 mph, piloted by sketchy drivers. I picture my nearly unprotected body riding among those cars. I see very little room for error, and I see how easy it would be to be crippled or killed. The Truth becomes clear: if I rode in heavy traffic on a regular basis, the risk would be too high. So I try to stack the odds more in my favor. I stick to the back roads and off-peak hours as much as possible. Anyway that's how I deal with the OP's concerns, and it works for me.
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  15. Dom T 0311

    Dom T 0311 Whats up guy

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    This has been brought up but here's an additional 2 cents and food for thought:
    Is riding on the road fun and enjoyable? Yes. Is it dangerous as hell? Yes
    Is riding off road (trails) and road tracks fun and enjoyable? I think more enjoyable than the road. Is it dangerous as hell? Not really, having an off on a track is less detrimental than an off on the road. Worst case scenario is a high side, get thrown in the air and slide. Or have a low side off which is just sliding on pavement and maybe onto grass. CE level 2, helmet, and full leathers will do a good job of keeping you in one piece in those scenarios. Riding off road on trails to include single track and fire trails, the most common injuries you hear about are broken ankles, torn knee ligaments, broken ribs, a busted vertebrae or two, and broken arms/wrists. Sometimes they all happen in one off if you're going fast enough, hit a tree, or fall off a small cliff (you can usually see the big ones), sometimes it's just one injury at a time. Again, good gear, atgatt, mx boots, knee braces, CE level 2 all over upper body will significantly reduce the risk of these injuries.
    If you get hit by a car or truck going 30mph on the street, you're in big trouble, no matter what gear you have on.

    Solution
    Get a small pick up or suv (with a trailer) for your daily driver, get a bike like a ninja 300 (for road tracks) or a dual sport/enduro for trails. Hell, you could get a supermoto to use for both, just swap tires.
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  16. canoli

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    Been thinking a lot lately about whats next and I'm just not sure, but more than likely it will be another motorcycle. It's just what I do.
    Racing a ninja 300 is a great idea and I've been lurking around the racing threads on this forum as well as a few others to get good (bad) ideas ( I really like long distance touring on small bikes

    . :lobby


    Level 2 CE for all round is without a doubt where I'm going to start and I will add some sort of airbag jacket/ vest as well. My back was so messed up that it is amazing that I'm still walking and honestly, the thought of another (even small) hit keeps me awake.

    My latest MRI showed that my back has stabilized enough to where I dont need my back brace any more and after 5 months I was happy to get rid of it. I've started walking for distance and just got back from a 2 mile stroll to help build my strength back up. The docs and the PT folks have all said that I should be about 95% as strong as I was pre accident in about 5 or 6 more months.

    For now I'm looking at motorcycle porn, waiting on the lawyers/ insurance co's to finish up what they need to do and trying to tie my shoes. Being mid 40's and broken sucks, but being alive is truly wonderful.

    Thanks again guys I'll keep yous posted.

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  17. Norty01

    Norty01 RIDERCOACH (RETIRED!)

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    Since you love to ride motorcycles, I would say continue to do so. But, you have a problem with fear on the street. This is understandable. So, where does that leave you? The track. Not as a racer, but as a rider. I realize you were a racer before, and that might be the toughest thing to deal with. Just get a road bike and do "track days." It allows you to ride, but without the SUV's.
    I know many people that only ride the track as riding on the street has become "too risky" for them. But they still want to ride, so track days it is.
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  18. canoli

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    Thats a really fregin good idea! Track day without racing might just be the thing to get me back on 2 wheels. Something to think about.

    Thanks for that.
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    Doc told me today what I knew all along. " You had a very bad injury and you are lucky to be walking". He also talked about me possibly needing a 2nd surgery in the future while in the same breath saying that it is OK to get back on a bicycle. Wish I could get in this guys head to understand WTF he's on about.
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  20. slacker1965

    slacker1965 .....no matter where you go......

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    Wow canoli I feel for you. Even though there is no substitute for being in the wind on 2 wheels, have you tried a convertible? Some of the same sensations can be had. My shitbox ragtop has helped with my insanity on my long hiatus fm riding....
    I wish you a speedy recovery & hope you never go down again......
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