Anybody know anything about laptops for video editing

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  1. max384

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    Calling all geeks!

    I'm in the process of putting together about 200 gigabytes of 1080p GoPro video into about a 30-45 minute finished product. I'm adding opening credit text, video clips, pictures, music, and voice-over. I'm using OpenShot video editor. This is the first video product I've done, and I've come to realize that my laptop is woefully under-powered for this project. I've got about 5 minutes of finished video into the project, and it's now so choppy and freezes so often while working on the project that I just can't get it done.

    My computer:
    Lenovo Yoga 2 11" laptop
    Intel i3-4012Y CPU @ 1.5 GHz processor
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 4200 graphics card
    4 gb RAM memory
    Windows 10 64 bit operating system

    Could I add more RAM to this laptop and make it usable? Or am I going to be forced to upgrade?

    If I do have to upgrade, what minimum specs do I need?

    I am only interested in Windows computers. I know Apple makes great products, but I just don't like them. And I am only interested in laptops, not desktops. My budget is $1000.

    This being said, could anyone recommend a good laptop in my budget? And cheaper is better. Other than this project, I really only use my laptop to do word processing and surf the internet, so I don't want to spend the money on a high powered gaming type laptop that will never get used to its full potential.

    Thanks!
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  2. 9Realms

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    Sadly your machine is outdated/underpowered for the desired "experience" my friend.


    Adobe Premier CC (as just an example for sake of conversation) quite commonly used for video editing indicates a minimum recommended i7 processor and
    • 8 GB of RAM (16 GB or more recommended)
    An 11" monitor would be fatiguing I would think, that's small. I would be looking at a PC/tower based rig, easier/cheaper to hot rod, build from scratch, upgrade and maintain.

    Not what you want to hear..... sorry. :dunno
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  3. jb882

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    I agree with 9realms your machine is way underpowered. The video editing with an I3 is equivalent to trying to take my TW200 on the freeway. It may do it but the experience is going to suck and its going to take a long time to get anywhere....

    I personally would not recommend a laptop for any serious video editing period. Even if you had to have a laptop you would want an I7 at least and some ram and your budget of 1k going to get blown away. A Xeon would be even better but then you are looking at a laptop in the 3k+ range. If you wanted to stick to windows you could build a desktop for a hell of a lot less that will work a lot better than a laptop.

    I know you don't want to hear about Mac's either but video editing is an area that they really, really shine. A mid level mac mini with its built in movies app would work worlds better than what you have for under a grand.
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  4. Yooper_Bob

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    Before you spend your money on a new machine, you might want to try different software.

    I tried and tried to get Openshot to work on my new laptop with quite a bit more horsepower than you have, and experienced the same issues. I also tried the other free editing software, Shotcut, and had the same issues.

    I bit the bullet, purchased Powerdirector 16 and it runs clean.
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  5. nevermind

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    I don't own an apple product but should have bought a macbook to build videos. Render time is stupid fast on the mac and incredibly slow on my brand new Dell Alienware high-end laptop with a top of the line nvidia video card, SSD, tons of ram and the fastest processor they had.

    At times, my resistance to joining the apple user crowd makes me quite mad...
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  6. DriveShaft

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    With the PC options, you just have to know what kind of GPU your software would benefit from, and *pick* the right GPU. Just look at the APIs and codecs that your software depends on, and make sure you pick the GPU that supports it. Might as well check the rest of the recommended specs too (always go for *recommended* specs...not *minimum* specs. )
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  7. BillMoore

    BillMoore Been here awhile

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    I have this laptop: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NCOS5ZG/

    It is an ASUS ROG Strix Gaming Laptop with i7-7700HQ. It is just a little above your $1000 price range at $1155. Being a gaming laptop, it has a GPU that helps a lot with video editing.

    I replaced the HDD with a 1TB SSD, which cost another $300, but I waited a few months after I bought the laptop before doing that. The nice thing about this is that every couple of months, I mirror the SSD back to the HDD, so I always have a backup that is no more than a couple of months old.

    I do video editing with this laptop using Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 14. Works great.
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  8. IronJackWhitton

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    I've been out of the Windows game for a while, but there's some options here:

    https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/best-laptops-for-video-editing

    Even though you do not liking Apple (I never did until I was forced into one) they really do work well for video. The price savings on an older Mac may change your mind as Amazon has a fair number of refurbished Apple machines.

    I currently edit videos on a 5 year old MacBook Pro Laptop, and it doesn't lag or stutter at all. It's seriously amazing. But, I would agree with you that the out the door price for a new one is ridiculous. However, you can get a refurbished Mac which should do what you want for fairly cheap. Do more research or let other people to chime in with what specs of a Mac to look for for your needs, but for instance, here's the whole package in an iMac for under $500:

    https://www.amazon.com/Apple-MC309L...id=1533918804&sr=8-7&keywords=refurbished+mac


    It may not have the horsepower you need, but hopefully my point stands that getting one a few years older can avoid the sticker shock which may change your mind on the Cult of Jobs (Seriously I hate a lot of this stuff but I can't deny the tool is effective for video).
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  9. max384

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    Thanks for the advice everyone.

    As far as Apple... I'm glad a lot of people love them, and I love that they sell for high prices and they have a cult like following... But that's only because I own their stock!! I just can't get into their OS. I had to use Apple in college, and I got used to it, but hated every minute of it. If I was regularly editing video, I might bite the bullet, but since I'm not, I'm just not willing to put up with an OS I despise. Thank you for the suggestions though.

    That's like the fourth one I tried. It actually worked the best. Granted, they were all free ones... I just don't think anything is going to work on this computer. It's old, and was a budget one when I bought it.
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    I'm doing training at a military installation right now, so I'm a bit limited to what the PX has in stock. I'm going to run down tonight and take a look.
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    max384 -- another thought I just had was checking out a local library. You can get a removable hard drive for under $100, and some of them here in Canada have full sound/video editing studios you can book out. Might be worth a look if you are near a major city.
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    That's a great idea... but at the pace I'm putting this together, I'd never be able to get away that long at a library... I also live in a relatively small town. I'd be very surprised if they had a video editing studio.
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    Also, does anyone know what optane memory is? I saw a computer at the PX with 8 gb DDR4 2666 MHz + 16 gb intel optane memory. To me, this would imply 24 gb of memory, which is great... But I have a feeling it isn't this simple.
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    Here's the laptop I found at the PX. It's listed for $949. They also list the memory as 24 gb.

    https://www.shopmyexchange.com/dell...16gb-1tb-hd-128gb-ssd-gaming-notebook/1276074

    Model G3579-7283BLK
    Wireless Technology Intel 9462 Wireless-AC, Dual Band 2.4 & 5GHz, MU-MIMO/80Mhz, 1x1
    Hard Drive Capacity 1TB 5400 RPM SATA Hard Drive
    Energy Star Certified Yes
    Features 15.6-inch FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS Anti-Glare LED-Backlit Display
    USB Port (2) SuperSpeed USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type-A including (1) with PowerShare, (1) USB 3.1 Gen 2
    Power 100 to 240 VAC Auto Voltage
    Warranty 1 Year Mail-In Service
    Touch Screen No
    Processor Speed 3.90GHz with Turbo Boost
    Processor 8th Generation Intel Core i7+ 8750H Processor

    Operating System Windows 10 Home 64-bit English
    Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5 Graphics
    Built-in Webcam Integrated Widescreen HD 720p Webcam with Dual Digital Microphone Array
    Bluetooth-Enabled Yes
    Audio Waves MaxxAudio Pro
    Width 14.96 inches
    Weight 5.25 pounds
    System Memory (RAM) 24GB (8GB DDR4 2666MHz + 16GB Intel Optane Memory Accelerated)
    Screen Size (Measured Diagonally) 15.6 inches
    Optical Drive Optical Drive Not Included
    Included Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit English, McAfee LiveSafe 12 Month Subscription, Microsoft Office 30 Day Trial, US Power Cord
    Height 0.89 inches
    HDMI Outputs (1) HDMI
    EPEAT Qualified Yes
    ENERGY STAR Certified Yes
    Display Type Anti-Glar LED-Backlit
    Digital Media Reader or Slots 3-in-1 Media Card Reader (SD, SDHC, SDXC)
    Depth 10.13 inches
    Battery Life 56WHr

    What do you guys think? Would this one work?
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  15. IronJackWhitton

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    I would suggest waiting for a second opinion as like I said I'm a bit foreign to non-Macs; years ago I used to build my own PCs but a lot has changed so I'm sure some other inmates will have a more current/accurate opinion than I do. But I know for sure it'll be better than your current model.

    Using Adobe Premier CC as a reference, it recommends 16 gigs of memory but only requires 8 gigs to work, which you have with that machine. Near as I can tell that Optane stuff is kind of like a turbocharger on an engine -- the engine will work without it, but the turbo charger will make the machine go faster. So, you meet the minimum spec with a bit of a boost. Probably not meeting the recommended spec though.

    I'd be curious if it's upgradeable to 16 or even 32 gigs of memory in the future as if you do go this route and find it sluggish a small investment could get you a memory upgrade. Maybe call Dell directly and see what they say?

    The other downside I can see might be the video card if you want to make the most out of some of Adobe's features which I'm sure will also influence performance of other video editing software. According to this site:

    http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/3918vs3649

    The 1050ti is a good bit slower than the 1080ti (ranked 64th versus 4th in benchmarking), which is what Adobe recommends if you want to use GPU acceleration (I believe this has an effect on render speeds). The 1050ti should still work but it might not be as fast as a slightly more expensive model maybe? I really am not sure but it's worth considering.

    Anyway like I said I imagine it'll be an improvement. What's the PX return policy? Any chance you can try it and if it's not satisfactory bring it back?
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    So I stopped into the PX, and there was an HP representative, and I talked with him, and he showed me a few HP computers. After I showed him this Dell, he was blown away with the performance for price. He told me to buy this computer; that it was a great deal. I was ready to pull the trigger... But it just sold out. I don't see anything else there to buy... Oh well....
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    It's about as far as the fastest SDD's for large files but has better performance in terms of lag closer to RAM. But it's not volatile so it keeps the information in it even after it's powered off unlike RAM.

    Right now it's mostly used to speed up mechanical hard drives in consumer computers.

    1080P isn't that demanding luckily so the question is what's your budget and how physically big do you want the computer to be? Oh and do you need tons of battery life or if 2-3 hours ok? (Editing can use up a good bit more than just the standard tests, always plug in before a long export)

    15" models are cheaper than 13" thicker 15" will be cheaper still.

    You'll want something with a decent IPS display, if you're looking for reviews Dave2D is my go to since he covers that in detail. Also he will show Adobe Premiere performance.

    There are a lot of options both with Intel and AMD right now so it's a lot better time to buy today than when I got my editing laptop a year ago.
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    It would but that screen is a potential weak point. Though if this isn't for professional work it could work and it'll be a fast (but hot) computer

    The bigger one is that hard drive. Even with optane it could lead to showdowns. There are probably better configs you could make, or if you're willing to upgrade a M.2 SSD would be great. Though for the money you might be able to find a more balanced system..a little less CPU/GPU but better screen/disk speeds



    How big are your video files in total?
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    You have run into a very common problem. As someone who has been editing video full time since the late 80s I feel your pain. I use both Mac and PC systems and can tell you that 1080 material is not that challenging for any decent i7 machine. My home systems are both 7 year old i7 based machines and they do just fine. The laptop specs you posted seem adequate and then some. Yes there are more powerful graphics cards and faster CPUs but you won’t need them. Keep your material on external 7200 RPM, USB 3 drives and make sure you have all your original files backed up on another drive kept in a different physical location. I have used the 4TB Westen Digital drives from Costco for years and they work fine for my personal projects which are all GoPro footage in 1080.
    As far as an application goes get Powerdirector at least. Premier would be better. If you are going to learn an application might as well use something decent.
    Have fun and hope we all get to see the finished product.




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    Quick thing to add into this. The 8th generation i5's aren't bad at all. The U series can actual be faster than the i7's since it comes down to how the manufacturer tunes them.

    The H series like that Dell sees a bigger jump since it's 4 vs 6 cores but that being said the quad core i5 H is faster than my i7 7700 HQ which I've done video editing on. More cores is obviously better but depending on the other specs you might get the better overall machine with a quad core and it's still very capable.
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