1. eakins

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    Awesome! We're heading to San Jose del Cabo in a few days with some day trips to Pulmo & Todos.

    Out of respect use Gulf of California when speaking... it's actually the official name.

    That and Hernan Cortez is not exactly a warm and fuzzy kinda guy to most Mexican's, especially the mestizos you will be meeting in Baja. Maybe to a criollo in CDMX but not someone in Baja.
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    Any of you guys in San Jose del Cabo 25-5th. I'd love to meet up!

    Every Thursday is the big night in SJ.
    It's art Walk night and the whole downtown is packed.
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  3. MaParkerColo

    MaParkerColo Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the guidance on that, I'll try to remember when down there! I will be in Baja, but don't plan on making it that far south. Have a blast!
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  4. eakins

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    Thanks, you too.

    European Mexican's and the strong caste system is an interesting thing that most Americans do not understand nor even experience. Estimates range, but some 20-25% or so Mexicans are white and Euro Spanish. Many with blond hair and light eyes. These are the wealthy ruling class that run the country and make most of us look dirt poor.

    The deal is most all Americans only go to the coastal resorts and what you find is dark skin Mexicans living, working and running the show there. Just seeing this alone, it's hard to comprehend white Mexicans...heck there are even racist white power Mexican groups.

    I did not understand this untill I lived in the center of the country. I meet some guys one night who I incorrectly thought were foreign tourist, until I heard them speak.

    Their English was perfect. They were from wealthy families from Mexico City. All their friends were white and had $$$. I asked about Cortez...thumbs up.

    Now contrast that with many mixed raced Mexican friends I had when I lived along the coast. Same question. Thumbs down, El Diablo for Cortez.
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    MaParkerColo Been here awhile

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    I suspect similar dynamics throughout Latin American countries. I spent some time in small rural village in Belize in January. The European descendants were the wealthy classes, mixed immigrants from Spanish colonial countries (Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc. ) were next, and the descendants of the native Mayans the poorest of the poor. I suspect we could look at the good ol’ US of A in the same way...but that would probably get my poor thread exiled to the basement in no time flat!
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  6. jonz

    jonz Miles are my mantra

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    James Michener gave a pretty good explanation of it in his book "Texas." Twenty something levels in the caste system. The top level was parents both born in Spain and you were born in Spain. Several layers down, you started getting into one parent Spanish and one of mixed blood. All the way down to both parents indigenous. It stuck with me because near the time I read the book, I was down visiting my sister in Mexico in the small village (at that time) of Cosala. All her friends were the local girls but for a short while, she was dating a blue eyed pale skinned engineer from Mexico City consulting on a hydroelectric project in the area. Anyway, he told her that her friends were beneath her status and she shouldn't be seen with them. Wish I could have been a fly on the wall to watch that (last) interaction.
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  7. eakins

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    Thanks I'll check that out.
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  9. eakins

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    Don't traffic drugs in Mexico and you'll be ok. Not any different than in the US.

    Difference in the US is there is also some random deranged guy spraying an innocent crowd of people with gun fire. 1 mass murder per day. Or 30+ murders per day every day.

    Or closer to home you go for a nice MTB ride outside of Monument and you are shot and killed.

    So is the US safer?
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    MaParkerColo Been here awhile

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    Well I made it down here! Drove pretty much straight through to Calexico. Tried to park at AA, wasting nearly an hour they finally admitted they were full :baldy Ended up going back east of town to a junkyard/fork lift place to park. Put me way behind schedule so I ended up riding the last few miles to Canon de Guadalupe I the dark. Not an auspicious start. I’ll post up more when I’m back!
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    We have room if you get this way.Feliz Navidad
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    bmiller59 Been here awhile

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    How long have you been down there? We sailed across from San Carlos a few years ago and spent some time anchored in that area.
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    MaParkerColo Been here awhile

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    I am learning that I don’t cover as much ground as I’d expected on this bike/in Baja. Wish I could, but I don’t think there is any way I’m making it that far south! Maybe next time...
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    Six years in January.We took a friend's boat to San Carlos a couple of years ago.
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    Next time it is.
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    MaParkerColo Been here awhile

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    Made it down to Guerrero Negro today, had my first real travel adventure and met some fantastic people with a terrific story through it. Whale watching tomorrow, then start working my way North.

    I have decided to do a ride report when I return, so more details later...
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    :jkam :thumbup

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    Ah...The Soggy Peso Bar :-)
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    Did someone say Soggy Peso?


    Our boat at anchor in the bay.
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