BMW G650X Issue Log (xCountry, xChallenge, xMoto)

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by andrewgore, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. Janet from Joisey

    Janet from Joisey Bad Kitty

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  2. Muckpee

    Muckpee Noobie Adventurer

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    The stalling and rough running in my case was caused by a gunky idle actuator. Dont think fuel additive/cleaner would help at all in this case as the idle actuator is upstream from the fuel injector. ??

    Im going to try some seafoam for the rest of my engine though..
  3. paul_g

    paul_g Been here awhile

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    Thanks to all the valuable info and advice on this problem. Couldn't have worked this out without this forum.

    I had my 2009 Xcountry towed to Santa Fe BMW (because of the separate snapped throttle cable I posted about). They replaced the throttle cable, and... replaced my clogged up exhaust can under warranty with a new OEM. That was definitely the heart of the power loss problem, which many other's here have experienced. The return of power, gas mileage, and drop in heat output were all dramatic... so glad to have her back.

    While I was hoping to get them to upgrade me to an Akropovic (splitting the cost diff), I'll take the new OEM. They are good guys in Santa Fe. Cameron Weckerley went out of his way to make sure all my concerns were addressed and that I left the situation with a free T-shirt and feeling good about BMW and my choice of bike.

    Paul G

    Oh... I've got 11k miles on the XCountry now at my 1 year anniversary and I remain very happy with my choice. Even though it's a 650, I feel it was a near perfect choice for a first bike, at least at the slightly used price I got it for (5800). It's running like a champ and is a sheer joy to ride, which I do almost every day as my commuter into town.

    Getting a hair under 70mpg at 7000ft without a fairing, and can kick it to 90mph when I want it. What more could a guy ask for? :)
  4. dirtsurfer

    dirtsurfer Adventourer

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    Model: Xchallenge
    Year: 2007
    ABS: No thanks
    Mileage at time of issue: aprox 20,000 kilometers
    Date of occurrence: August 2010
    Modifications (if any) that could affect this issue: Bosch fuel injector. Part # 0 280 155 892 , staintune muffler, foam filter
    Description of Failure(s): engine stutters and cuts out
    Resolution (if any): TBA
    Reference Thread:

    I have read through the issues logs and I cant find any similar to what I am experiencing, so I think that my bike was afflicted by 2 problems. One is partially resolved

    Heading out on a big ride a few weeks back, sprinting along the highway at about 60mph, I felt a barely perceptable blip . I would have forgotten about this if not for the subsequent issues.
    A few days later, haeding along the highway again and blip, blip, stutter , cut out. I rolled to a stop presuming that I had run out of fuel. Hit the starter and the bike fired back into life. After confering with my mate we decided that perhaps this was just bad fuel, as he had a similar issue. But I had no similar problems immediately after that and I would think that bad fuel problems would prevail until bad fuel was removed. Afew days later again - highway. Stutter ,cut out; restart while coasting, probably about 20 - 30 time but the situation seemed to resolve itself.

    Two weeks ago, when I open the throttle wide, the bike stutters and coughs but seems to work ok in the lower rev range.

    A week ago the bike stopped only a few miles from home. After pulling it apart and testing various bit and pieces I found that I had no spark and very fortunately an knowledgable inmate gave me this advice: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13912079&postcount=1572 and as the picture suggest; yes I had fragments of my sprag clutch fouling the ignition pick up.

    Oh yes! the Sprag clutch! wasnt that mentioned before somewhere dirtsurfer? http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12056881&postcount=173 - When I replaced the battery this (starting issue went away)

    I cleaned the pickup and reassembled and tested it and I now have spark but the previous issue of stuttering and cutting out as exacepated to the point where the motor idles roughly but thats all ; any movement of the throttle will cause the engine to splutter and die.

    I will have to replace my oil and filter to improve upon the "repair" to the ignition problem and optimaly replace the sprag clutch (which I believe wore out when I had a faulty battery)

    There is a possibility that my issue is still related to the ignition or electrical system. I think I have convinced myself that its not fuel:

    • Fuel tank emptied and cleaned
    • Fuel replaced
    • Fuel filter checked, no trace of water or gunk
    • Fuel pump opperational
    • Injector cleaned and swapped for testing
    • Idle actuator cleaned
    • throttle removed , cleaned and checked
    • throttle position sensor disconnected for testing
    • Air box removed for testing

    I will happily keep you all posted on my progress but it may take a while.

    And here is the update http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14559450&highlight=starter#post14559450
  5. plumber mike

    plumber mike Highdive Deepened

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    Not to sound like a broken record, but have you disabled/bypass the sidestand safety switch?

    Does the bike cut out and sputter when the bike is running and stopped, or when the bike is bieng ridden/moving......or both?
  6. dirtsurfer

    dirtsurfer Adventourer

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    I read about joining the three wires together. I put aluminium foil into the loom side of the connector to effect joining the wires together, when I did this the bike did not run its usual start up sequence and the starter button did not work

    both
  7. NittanyRider

    NittanyRider Walking Contradiction

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    I just got my bike back yesterday, so I wanted to give a quick update... I haven't ridden it much (~1.5 hours), but during that time, I did not experience any of the stalling issues that I was previously experiencing. I'll knock on wood, but as of right now, the bike is "fixed"! My dealer had opened a PUMA case with BMW, so it was really the BMW techs/engineers who were calling the shots... here's what my local dealer was directed to do to my bike:

    1) Clean idle actuator
    2) Clean throttle body
    3) Install new spark plugs
    4) Install a new oxygen sensor (readings that they were getting were abnormal and BMW suspected that it was malfunctioning.
    5) Clean the fuel injection and induction systems - BMW suggested doing this. Apparently there is a BMW service bulletin, which suggests doing this cleaning, if a bike is having stalling problems.

    Everything but the plugs and injection/induction cleaning was covered under warranty, so in the end, I paid $160 out of pocket. I don't know if the cleaning, which cost $125, was really necessary, but the bike's warranty is going to expire in October, so I wanted to make sure I did everything possible to get this problem resolved by then.

    As I said, the bike has been running great since I picked it up yesterday, and hopefully it will continue to do so!
  8. Cruz

    Cruz Lost but laughing.

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    Thanks for posting that.

    Good to see your bike is up and going again and that the companies did what they had to to get it there.
  9. Janet from Joisey

    Janet from Joisey Bad Kitty

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    Glad all is well with your ride!

    My service manager replaced, under warranty, my 2009 shock (which had torn up bump stop) with a 2007 shock (which is taller).

    Model: Xchallenge
    Year: 2009
    ABS: No
    Mileage at time of issue: aprox 11,000 miles
    Date of occurrence: August 2010
    Modifications (if any) that could affect this issue: n/a
    Description of Failure(s): rubber bump stop at bottom of rear shock torn up
    Resolution (if any): replaced under warranty with (requested) taller 2007 rear shock. Adjusted front forks in clamps and set new rear shock up for my weight. More clearance for tight twisties and bumpy roads, especially loaded for travel.
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    Torn up bump stop:

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    Taller seating and more ground clearance:

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  10. dirtsurfer

    dirtsurfer Adventourer

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    Torn bumper rubber ; that Sachs - sorry I couldnt help myself
  11. leafman60

    leafman60 Long timer

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    Janet, that looks kinda tall. I think you need to post a few more pics of you tip-toeing it.
  12. Janet from Joisey

    Janet from Joisey Bad Kitty

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    Leafman,
    The shock isn't broken in yet, and I didn't have my side bags on which carry tools, tubes, extra gas, etc. . . . Oh, and I wasn't wearing all my protective gear . . . :wink:

    Here's one of me tip-toeing through the Dragon with the 2009 shock.

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  13. plumber mike

    plumber mike Highdive Deepened

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    Janet-
    Thanks for the pics.
    That's a good shot of an Xco in "sportbike" mode. Is it an optical illusion, or does the centerstand rob that much ground clearance? I know it has been discussed, and I'll search if I have to, but what bag is that and how is working out for you?
  14. Janet from Joisey

    Janet from Joisey Bad Kitty

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    Yes, like most bikes with centerstands, especially aftermarket stands, that is usually the low spot, so you can imagine it on the shorter 2009 :eek1

    With the taller 2007 shock, my shortened centerstand only works to get the wheels up with a board underneath the centerstand.

    I am going to take it off and use the bike lift at home for chain maintenance and tire changing.

    I will get one of those portable side-stand legs for travel tire work and order this Touratech hardpart to protect the side-stand mount from rocks, which the centerstand was doing.

    http://www.touratech-usa.com/media/ifscPT/01-049-0146-01-lg.jpg?size=original

    The soft bags are Andy Strapps. I got them from AdventureWorkshop.
    They seem to be a stronger material than the Ortliebs and seem more durable than Ortlieb's clip-to-the-frame system.
    They have plenty of velcro type tie-downs to keep them secure to the pannier frame, hold a bunch of stuff, and expand up or roll down depending on what you need to carry. I usually pack my clothing in separate zip-loc bags inside a carry-off-the-bike bag inside of the Andy Strapps, so I don't always remove the Andry Strapps from the bike. The Ortliebs with clips are an easy/quick removal from the pannier frame.

    http://www.adventurersworkshop.com/motorcycle/ANDY_STRAPZ/PANNW.htm
  15. 682202

    682202 Been here awhile

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    Janet,

    Did you have any issues with the side stand and the taller 07 shock? The parts fiche shows the 09 side stand to be 2 inches shorter than the 07.
    Thanks
    Art

  16. leafman60

    leafman60 Long timer

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    Dang, these women are doin all kinda stuff these days.
  17. Janet from Joisey

    Janet from Joisey Bad Kitty

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    Yes, the bike leans over quite a bit now on the sidestand. Took a 367-mile backroad ride on Sunday and I had to look for high spots for the side stand when parking.

    I may look for a camel-toe foot for the sidestand and build it up just a bit.

    The Husky 310 is the opposite, and I have to find low spots for its taller sidestand with the shortened suspension.

    I'll check out the options for the sidestand situation, get some pics and post back.
  18. 682202

    682202 Been here awhile

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    Thanks Janet, I was afraid of that. I'm gathering the parts to raise my 09 to the height of an 07 and was taken back by the price of a 07 side stand $120, nearly what I paid for the XChallange air shock:eek1. I still have to order the fork springs, so I have some time to figure out the side stand, If I come up with something I will let you know.
  19. snooker

    snooker AttitudeIsEverything

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    Welder: steel pipe, cut, weld, spray paint. While you are at it cut on a bigger rectangle plate for the bottom foot pad, round the corners and weld it to the bottom. I went to an *OLD* welder's shop and just looked around the floor for a scrap piece for $1.

    I was annoyed on my '07 when my boot heel touched the pin that hold the kickstand spring so I cut it off and had it welded further around the side too! Prolly get all that done for $25.
  20. locked88

    locked88 n00b

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    Model: xMoto
    ABS: Yes
    Mileage at time of issue: 2000
    Date of occurrence:multiple to many to list
    Modifications (if any): none
    Description of Failure(s):Bike would start and stall after a few seconds, this would go on for the first 5 minutes or so .
    Resolution (if any): took it to the dealer for diagnostic, they found a problem with a stepper motor that controls the idle air mixture. Runs better than ever now.:clap