BMW Navigator VI Firmware 4.90

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by corriej, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. corriej

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    Use Garmin Express to get it.

    It fixes all the issues I had.

    Change History
    Changes made from version 4.70 to 4.90:

    • Allow the media player to be accessed on all motorcycles, including models with a radio (GT, GTL, GTLE, RT)
    • Added the option to erase all personal user data from device
    • Allow the streaming of album cover art
    • Fixed issue with Indexing music from certain iOS devices
    • Fixed freeze caused by connection to certain iOS devices
    • Fixed issue where the Automatic Skip Waypoint feature would skip all remaining points in a route
    • Fixed issue where Smartphone Link! would not reconnect after a quick power cycle of the motorcycle
    • Fixed an issue where the use of Pandora or Spotify triggered the BMW Motorrad Communication system to go into intercom mode
    • Improved call quality when communication with iOS devices
    • Improved Round Trip routing behavior with Toll Road avoidances
    • Improved Automatic display brightness when the Navigator is installed on compatible motorcycles
    • Improved Bluetooth connection
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  2. Hercus

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    The Automatic Skip Waypoint feature was in direct response to an issue I raised with them. Will have to test it on the road, but in Simulation mode it seems better. Not exactly as they describe it in the Changes Log - it would skip all Shaping Points between my location and the next Waypoint.

    What I hope it now does is when I go "off route", it auto-recalculates to the next nearest shaping or waypoint in the route direction from where I am, whichever is closest from where I am. Before it would ignore the Shaping Points and take me directly to the next Waypoint (which could be hours away if it was the lunch stop and I just got lost getting out of the parking lot of my hotel at the beginning of the ride). The idea being that if we go "off route" with "auto-recalculate" ON, the Navigator will find the route from the auto-recalculate position to the next nearest Shaping Point or Waypoint in the original planned Route, based on the Navigation setting preferences. This would be the best and quickest way to get back on to the originally planned route.

    The Automatically Skip Waypoints feature, I thought, was to activate a "smart" feature whereby if the Navigator "sees" the rider has continued past a planned WAYPOINT it would not try to turn them around in order to ride over the top of the WAYPOINT, and automatically skip it and continue the route.

    Has anyone seen the difference this "fix" has caused and if it does what I'm suggesting it should do above?
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  3. Hercus

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    I bought a car mount for the Navigator VI and have been testing the new 4.90 firmware update to see what has changed - at least with respect to "skipping waypoints". It does appear that the following now occurs: if the GPS Nav VI is between WAYPOINTS, with SHAPING POINTS both before and after the next WAYPOINT, when you purposefully "Skip" the next WAYPOINT, the recalculation will aim for the next SHAPING POINT or WAYPOINT, after the next WAYPOINT, whichever is next. In other words, it will skip any SHAPING POINTS before the next WAYPOINT, and the WAYPOINT, and aim for the next POINT after that.

    Before, it would skip both the next WAYPOINT, and any SHAPING POINTS before and after the next WAYPOINT, and aim for the next WAYPOINT. This could end up taking you the fastest way possible to your destination point if all you had was a START point, an intervening WAYPOINT (such as a lunch stop) and an END point (destination), effectively ignoring your intended route. So this is partially fixed.

    I'm not sure yet if this is what the Garmin software designers intended and have contacted Garmin Support and asked them. Another consequence of this current behavior is that if the GPS Nav VI is on route with several SHAPING POINTS between its' current location and the END point (but no other WAYPOINTS) there is no way to "skip" the remaining SHAPING POINTS. The device keeps trying to route you backwards to go over any missed SHAPING POINTS (if you go off track).

    I would have thought (I only started using the Navigator in August 2017 - had previously used a Garmin 550 for many years) that the device should "skip" WAYPOINTS or SHAPING POINTS, whichever is next in the designed route, and take the rider to the NEXT SHAPING POINT or WAYPOINT. This would be the fastest way to get back on route (if one took a detour) and allow control over the skipping of SHAPING POINTS once past the second to last WAYPOINT in a route (meaning any SHAPING POINTS before the END).

    Anyone else seeing it differently than this or has received any different feedback from Garmin on this topic?
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  4. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    These are very difficult ‘decisions ‘ to expect the software to get right every time. The desired result may often change based upon circumstances. You can control some of this by putting in correctly placed waypoints. I see a shaping point as a recommendation, a waypoint a must see.


    Proper route design will fix some of this.
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  5. Hercus

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    Agreed scfrank. All I'm trying to determine in this enquiry is what are the programming rules designed by Garmin that are being used. Once known, proper route design is possible. If unknown, unpredictable things start happening enroute.

    On at least one other popular Garmin model, the "skip" button only skips the next WAYPOINT or SHAPING POINT. That is not the behavior on the Nav VI. Is this because the Garmin program designers intended it to work this way, or is there a bug in the software?
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  6. Hercus

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    I have been corresponding with Garmin Support on this issue and they agree the current behavior of the "skip" function, and the "recalculate" function, are different than on "other" Garmin SatNav units. They are recommending Engineering take a look at it for possible repairs. What 4.90 firmware did is fix one out of at least three "bugs" w.r.t. Skipping and Recalculating.

    1) If you are taking the following route:

    START SP1 SP2 SP3 WP1 SP4 SP5 SP6 WP2 SP7 SP8 SP9 END

    Lets say you already passed SP1 when you chose to "skip waypoint". This will skip SP2, SP3, and WP1. Then will route you to SP4 continuing with SP5 and so on. If WP2 is then skipped, you will be recalculated to SP7. That would be the last you are able to skip. Before 4.90 it would take you from after SP1 to WP2, if you skipped. So this bug fix went in the right direction.

    2) On "other" Garmin devices, lets say you already passed SP1 when you chose to "skip waypoint". This will skip SP2 and take you to SP3, and so on and so forth. Effectively allowing full control over skipping WAYPOINTS or SHAPING POINTS, either manually (by clicking the Skip button on the Map screen) or automatically by riding past the WAYPOINT or SHAPING POINT. Our Nav VI with FW 4.90 does not do this.

    3) Lastly, when the device is set to automatically "recalculate" when you go off your designed route, the following behavior occurs: If you're off your route after WP1 and somewhere past SP4, the device will keep trying to route you back to the shaping point you missed. So in my example you will be returned to SP4 and have no choice in the matter. In other words, the device will only skip WAYPOINTS automatically or manually, not SHAPING POINTS.

    So, the above is how the device actually works as it is currently programmed. I don't like this behavior at all. Kinda nutty and I think Garmin Support agrees and have opened a ticket to examine the behavior.

    In the meantime, as they jump right on this, I will have to revert to ONLY using WAYPOINTS for the entire route, so that I can control the skipping and recalculating behavior.

    If anyone has any better suggestions or think I got it wrong above, please chime in.
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    Can you load Music on his GPS or does it have to go through your phone
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  8. Hercus

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    You can load music.
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  9. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    Useful information Hercus. Thanks.
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  10. Hercus

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    (sorry if this is a double post - I'm trying to spread the word on several forums about these issues)...

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    In addition to my previous postings which describes:

    1) Skipping Issues where you can't individually skip SHAPING POINTS (Only WAYPOINTS)
    2) When you do "Skip" it ignores all SHAPING POINTS before the next WAYPOINT (and directs you to the first SHAPING POINT or WAYPOINT after the skipped next WAYPOINT, whichever comes first. (This happened BEFORE 4.90 as well but now in 4.90 the SHAPING POINTS AFTER the next skipped WAYPOINT are recognized.)
    3) The "Automatically Skip WAYPOINTS" feature has stopped working. As a consequence, even missed SHAPING POINTS will not be automatically skipped AND cannot be manually skipped, so if you miss one, the Navigator VI will constantly try to redirect you back to the missed SHAPING POINT until the end of your trip if you are heading to the END with any SHAPING POINTS before the END (but after the last WAYPOINT). For missed WAYPOINTS you now have to manually click the SKIP button each time which is somewhat of a safety issue.

    There are additional "bugs" as well in 4.90 that were not there before 4.90:

    4) The Smart Link icon on the Home Page used to display in BLUE when connected to a mobile device with Smart Link installed. It now stays WHITE, even when connected.

    5) The Smart Link functionality where you could search and find a location and send it to the Navigator VI no longer works. The location stays in "sending to the Garmin" mode on the mobile device and is never received by the Navigator VI. Before 4.90 locations would immediately appear on the Navigator VI after "sending" from a mobile device with Smart Link.

    Those are just what I've found so far. I've logged tickets with Garmin Support on each of the above. If any of these issues are important to you as well, please go to myGarmin.com and go to Support and send them an email describing what I've said above or what it is you are experiencing on your devices. Unless they hear from us in multiple instances I don't think they will pay much attention to the issues for a long time, if ever. Seems to me issues one through three above are fundamental and basic navigation functions and whoever the product manager is at Garmin for the Navigator VI software should be fired. It should never have been released with these basic flaws.

    (Again, if you don't design multi-WAYPOINT-multi-SHAPING POINT routes these issues may not affect you. My workaround right now is to ONLY use WAYPOINTS, however, that does not solve issue number 3) above.)
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    In addition, Garmin themselves advised folks to contact them about the above issues:


    Hello Platypus,

    Absolutely you can view the case number below. If you know others who are having this issues I would encourage them to contact us so that we can add impact to the existing cases.

    Smartphone link: PSC- XXXX
    Skipping Waypoints: PSC-XXXX


    Thank you for choosing Garmin,
    Christopher
    Product Support - Auto OEM Team
    Garmin International
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  11. Hercus

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    And there is yet another one concerning "crashing" of the SatNav unit itself - characterized by "freezing" and "flickering screens". I've had both since 4.90 as have others who have described it on other forums. My case was added to an existing open ticket on the issue with Garmin - so please call it in to them if you experience this.

    I now have 6 distinct "bugs"/"Issues" with this device which have been confirmed by Garmin as issues (I can't make this stuff up). The thing would be awesome if these bugs were fixed.
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  12. Hercus

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    Update for this forum: Garmin did respond on my issue # 1) and 2) above saying this is how the engineers designed the software to work, at the request of BMW. Note: this is NOT how other Garmin SatNav devices work (Garmin 590/5LM). The idea being that in this sequence: Start, S1, S2,S3,W1,S4,S5,S6,W2,S7,S8,S9,End if you are between Start and Waypoint 1, and decide you no longer want to go to W1 and manually press the "Skip" button on the screen, the device will recalculate a NEW route for you from where you are to S4, based on your user navigational preferences. I can see how this could make sense in some scenarios. On non-BMW Garmin SatNavs, if you press the "Skip" button say while riding between the START and S1, it will skip S1, not W1 and set a NEW route from where you are to S2. The idea being that you can manually "skip" the next SHAPING point or WAYPOINT, whichever is next in your custom Trip Planner route. So is the way the BMW Navigator 4.90 working here a "feature" or a design flaw? I would have thought it would be better to be consistent across products so that if we are riding in a group with Garmin and BMW devices they would basically behave the same. Others may disagree. The tech support person at Garmin tends to agree with me and still has this as an open case with Engineering to re-consider.

    As to the other open issues (inability to manually or automatically skip missed SHAPING POINTS and the non-functioning SmartLink) no word yet.

    Again, if you are experiencing these issues please contact Garmin directly and open a case.
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    Got my NAV out of storage to update to the latest and map...killing time for winter to finally end.... :p

    I paired it with the iPhone 8 which has about 5,000 songs along with an Apple Music subscription. The NAV does play music randomly picked an old Moby album..when I browsed the music, it said "loading library" so I had to wait...4 hours later, the library was still loading. So it appears this still doesn't work for me. I wasn't sold on playing music from my iPhone to NAV and then to Sena 10U mostly because I listen to podcasts via Sena 90% of the time and therefore they have their own app but it would have been nice to have this as an option.
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  14. Hercus

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    There are six different configurations possible between the Sena 20s, Navigator VI and a mobile phone - check them on Sena's website (not sure about the 10U). I got everything to work except the Play/Pause, FWD and BACK buttons which I have to control via. the mobile phone directly (an iPhone). But I'm trying different configurations so maybe one of them will work the controls from the Navigator. (E.g. 1st Bluetooth the mobile phone to the SatNav, 2nd Bluetooth the mobile phone to the SatNav (using the mobile to do it), 3rd Bluetooth the Sena, using the "second phone pairing" to the mobile.) Others have reported that everything works since 4.90 so I assume it is possible.
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  15. Gar01821

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    The good news is, I figured out a workaround.
    After the Navigator is paired with both the phone and the headset.
    Open Settings/Bluetooth/iPhone. Uncheck the Media box and then recheck Media box.
    On my unit I can them control the music on my iPhone.
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  16. Bayou2007

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    Gar, I inserted a micros with about 2g of mp3. The gps doesn't seem to see it. Any ideas?
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  17. Gar01821

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    Plug your Nav into a computer. Can you see the Nav and the contents of the SD can on the PC or Mac?
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  19. Fastman

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    I had a 16 Gb microSD card with a few hundred MP3s in a folder labeled "Music". My Nav VI saw & played them well. I decided to upgrade to a 64 GB card and put 3,700+ songs (all MP3) in the same folder. Now, the NAV VI doesn't see any of the music, even after letting it sit for ~5 minutes to let it scan the folders. However, when I plug the NAV VI into my MacBook Pro, I get both the Garmin volume and the microSD card volume and I can edit the music files with no problems. Any ideas?
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  20. Gar01821

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    Just a guess. A 64 Gb card is formatted differently than a 16 or 32 Gb card. I think Garmin may not be able to read it. You can re-format the 64 Gb card or try a 32 Gb card.
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