Boreal National or BUST !

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  1. lineaway

    lineaway Long timer

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    • By the way most of this has been resolved. Should never havw been an issue if the flyer was not written they way it was. 8/10/18
    • So go ride the California round and have some fun. Just bring a S/A.
    • Ten days to go on registration. 11 riders, no Pro or Experts. My biggest complaint is the clubs spark Arrestor notes policy or lack of clarification. I have a 1200 mile drive to DNS because I do not have the correct brand. Made in Cali or else?
    I am not whining just now, I have been trying the correct channels for weeks. Check this out from the rider info page.
    [Spark arrestors are required and will be verified at tech inspection, all bikes must have spark arrestors for practice as well or will be disqualified! • SPARK ARRESTORS MUST BE USFS APPROVED SYTLE WITH PROPER SCREEN SIZE OF .023 or smaller. Note: Some aftermarket models do not qualify!]
    I have contacted my Natc rep. I have tried to contact the NATC directly. In fact I have complained about how terrible the National website is for about 18 months. WTF nobody home or cares.

    Just tonight. I guess we are not going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    What is this rule? driving 2300 miles rd trip? Spark arrestors are required and will be verified at tech inspection, all bikes must have spark arrestors for practice as well or will be disqualified! • SPARK ARRESTORS MUST BE USFS APPROVED SYTLE WITH PROPER SCREEN SIZE OF .023 or smaller. Note: Some aftermarket models do not qualify! Not going without clarification. Some do, if made by my friend or what? Never seen this before and have ridden the western series till now.
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  2. Norman Foley

    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna

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    Back when NEPG took over National Enduros, Sparkys became mandatory for all runs. This was even back east where we hadn't run one, even on public land. I pony up a $100 and get a USFS approved one for PA National. I go to tech inspection and guy in front of me has a Yamaha YZ250, with a piece of window screen duct taped around end of silencer. It turns out to be only a stick test and he passes.... Damn!:eek7
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  3. lineaway

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    Well I don`t have a .023 gauge to see if my current S/A is a good or bad. They should be happy I have one.:dunno
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  4. lineaway

    lineaway Long timer

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    I also should not have to have a G mail account to contact the NATC. Just give me an email address. :doh
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  5. Ymirtrials

    Ymirtrials Been here awhile

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    where is pre registration? Just looked and can't find...
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    Ymirtrials Been here awhile

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    Thanks!
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  10. lamotovita

    lamotovita DAMN SNOWBIRD!

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    Drill size #75 should be a no go. If your sparky is USFS approved and un modified it should pass.
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  11. lineaway

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    They are being nazi's about it. Normal clubs just say S/A required.
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  12. motomofo

    motomofo Been here awhile

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    I’ve never understood the need for spark arrestors in general. Especially when there are thumpers with red hot, exposed header pipes.
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  13. lineaway

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    They are going after a certain brand. I would say the Spanish fly. That is about half of the riders. BS
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    motomofo Been here awhile

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    Saw the same thing once. A guy panicked because he somehow didn’t realize he needed a SA (it was clearly stated before the race), so he tore the nylon screen (not even metal!) out of the door on his toy hauler, wrapped it around the end of the muffler on his CRF and used a big zip tie to hold it in place, then pushed it around until it passed the SA inspection, and still didn’t fire it up until his row started. What a joke!
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    Brewtus Buffoonery, Inc.

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    Now why on earth would they do something as silly as that? Makes zero sense to me, but then again so do those ridiculous spark arrestors that do nothing except interrupt exhaust flow. :loco
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    "They are being nazi's about it. Normal clubs just say S/A required." We're just enthusiasts and volunteers trying to make it happen. Things are probably different here in California then where some people are from. We can't even buy Scorpa, Sherco or TRS here! We do not own the land the event is being held on. There are laws and requirements that we are required to follow. Now that half the state is on fire we are under scrutiny and lucky to have this event go on.
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  18. Huzband

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    I don't believe "they" are "going after" a certain brand. I think they are just being very careful to follow what the USFS has laid out as an approved screen type spark arrestor. And considering what seems like most of the state is on fire, I don't blame them.

    edit; Thesolidman1 beat me to it.
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  19. motobene

    motobene Motoing for 46 years

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    The arrestors do do something. They will work to stop a glowing bit of carbon from a very toasty exhaust running WFO from flying out and landing on dry grass, but as we know, the statistical probability of starting a fire is very low. We also know that the overwhelming vast majority of USFS rangers will be either clueless about 0.023" or "USFS approved" and fine with the arrestors we use.

    FYI the spark arrestor (RYP-BCE) in the photo below has what is probably 20X20 stainless wire cloth. From McMaster-Carr:
    20X20 Wire Cloth.JPG

    RYP Spark Arrestor.JPG

    To be strictly compliant it would have to have this cloth:
    30X30 Wire Cloth.JPG

    SO why doesn't it? Probably because in the diameters we used the 20X20 already clogs up too fast and that 6% area loss with the 30X30 might be felt too much in the power, before it clogs up more quickly.

    Restrictive spark arrestors tend to make the power soft and the jetting run rich. Really clogged and they make the bike really anemic and blubbery. With the 20X20 cloth my arrestors soften power a little, and make the bike a little quieter, and as long as I don't let them clog too much are OK.

    What's probably happened is they wanted to make a strong statement on presence of spark arrestors and cover their asses and they quoted USFS ".023" but din't have a clue about cloth size. Who in tech is going to be measuring at 0.023"? Drop a wire that size and it disappears into another universe.

    NO spark arrestors we tend to buy and use are stamped by the USFS as approved. They just work and are accepted.

    If they insist on USFS stamp on an arrestor, their entries with trials bikes will be very low to none. Maybe the guy with totally carboned-up arrestor and coated by mung so you can't read any stamp might pass the truly nuts-anal tech inspector? I could see the anal tech inspector getting pitched off a cliff by angry riders with rejected spark arrestors:rofl
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  20. lamotovita

    lamotovita DAMN SNOWBIRD!

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    I would guess that you're up against CA state law, and possibly the USFS if the ski area is on USFS land.

    http://ohv.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=23039
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