Buy new or used

Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much HP' started by chtucker, Jul 13, 2018.

  1. chtucker

    chtucker Been here awhile

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    Local dealer is advertising a 2018 1290SAR for $16k plus BS fees of &1k

    Is this a good deal?

    Used 2017s while they have stuff added are not much less.

    I am thinking of new and getting some time to figure out what I want. Luggage for sure, but there are a lot of choices.

    Thoughts on having a warranry?
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  2. stan23

    stan23 Been here awhile

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    It's only a 12 month warranty either way for the R bikes, so I would get the bike that is cheaper.
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  3. motoproponent

    motoproponent High Speed Pack Mule

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    I'm never going to buy a new bike again. Buying a 1 or 2 year old bike from a person that has already taken the big hit of depreciation is the way to go. Finding a low mileage example is pretty easy.

    You can usually find one with the stuff people want bolted on, and then take that stuff off and sell it to fund the stuff YOU want.
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  4. Lewilewi

    Lewilewi Ride it like you stole it......

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    There 14500pounds in England brand new

    I asked for discount and immediately got 1500 knocked off a created bike,

    There still not on the used market that cheap here 1 year later....


    Haggle fellas, just ask
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  5. IanC

    IanC Been here awhile

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    24 months in UK I'm pretty sure.
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  6. Its not Ginger!

    Its not Ginger! Been here awhile

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    1-2 year old bikes do offer good value, bought my 1190 when KTM were selling off some old stock so 2 years later I have only suffered half the depreciation I would of done, and that is barely any more than had I bought a year old bike at the same time and I had the benefit of two years warranty...

    ...and warranty is the issue for me, there is too much to go wrong on these bikes (and the latest BMW's and Triumph are going down the same path now)

    For me to get another new KTM they need to start offering extended warranties or I will probably end up back on a more simple Japanese machine again.
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  7. Lewilewi

    Lewilewi Ride it like you stole it......

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    I got two years warranty, and 2 years European recovery too

    Been waiting 8 weeks now for right bar switches and front brake discs and wheels to be trued, got another 2 weeks wait..!
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  8. Lewilewi

    Lewilewi Ride it like you stole it......

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    At the discount I got on latest model 1290r bike brand new, I don't regret it one bit, I'll own it three years I reckon, it's been great for me and the Mrs touring, worth every penny...

    Got the Ktm panniers 30% off ish online ( my personal favorite) 52litre givi/kappa 30% discount from Italy...

    Touring electric pack was full price


    For the money all brand new I feel like its a bargain, including future depreciation, I've not inherited any one's bodge maintainance either...

    By shopping carefully, pound for pound a once I sell the bike, I'm happy that all new was the better deal
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  9. kaertner

    kaertner Been here awhile

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    I bought my 1290 SA in Germany. KTM offer a 1 or 2 year extended warranty. I think it's only UK and Russia that don't have this on offer from KTM.
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  10. Tiggersteve

    Tiggersteve Been here awhile

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    UK, 2 year unlimited mileage warranty with euro cover,
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  11. kaertner

    kaertner Been here awhile

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    So that's the extended cover (from KTM) after the first 2 years from new making it 4 years? If so then it's the same as offered in Germany.
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  12. Andy_L

    Andy_L Been here awhile

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    No two years from new. For some reason we're not allowed the KTM extended warranty - which can be renewed up to 12 years, according to the KTM brochure I have here.
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  13. kaertner

    kaertner Been here awhile

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    Yes, I thought that was the case, UK and Russia are excluded for some reason.
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  14. Gotlabs

    Gotlabs Killing with kindness

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    I had the same issue a month ago. I was looking for used, but none within reasonable driving distance had the title in hand. I have very limited "free time" and wanted to do a quick exchange, my money for a gently used bike.....never happened. I looked for a couple months. I ended up going new, bought an extended warranty and do not regret it one bit.


    ....Of course now there are tons of 990s (which is what I was originally wanting) for sale at GREAT prices...
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  15. DEVILDAWG

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    I would buy new if you could, just to get the factory warranty. I got my 2016 1190 at year end and got it OTD for about 86% of MSRP. No garbage fees. As someone mentioned, shop around and haggle. It's not like bikes are selling the hotcakes. Well maybe the 790 will. I'm sure there won't be any deals on those for a few years.
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  16. Its not Ginger!

    Its not Ginger! Been here awhile

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    Very odd as to why KTM refuse to offer UK folk an extended warranty.

    I know BMW and Kawasaki both offer extensions to the standard 2 year UK warranties and BMW now offer a 2 year warranty on all approved used bikes.

    If the current 2 year UK Warranty could be extended up to 4 or 5 years it would make buying a new 1290 a much more attractive proposition. I do not think these bikes will constantly "break down", but I can see a string of annoying faults, repeated error codes and a risk of a high cost item (ECU / Screen / Keyless ignition system / Semi Active Shock etc) failing.

    The value of new KTM's plummets, at 2 years old my 1190 was worth about £8k, a £6k loss over full rrp, or £3k a year, by 4 years old it will probably still be worth £6k, making the cost per year about £2k.

    The ability to extend the warranties would also prop up the used values, a much better proposition for someone looking for a used bike is a good warranty being available, especially if buying privately.
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  17. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    You can buy an aftermarket warranty from any number of sources. Not sure about the comparative cost but aftermarket won't tie you to using KTM dealers for maintenance and may include coverage for additional items. KTM extended warranty may just be aftermarket warranty with KTM "branding" anyway.

    BTW, I'm pretty sure my USA bike (2016 1290 SA-T, I purchased new in Mar 2017) has a 24 month, 24,000-mile factory warranty. I specifically bought new for that reason because in June 2018 I did a 12,500-mile ride to and from Alaska. I wanted the bike to still have factory coverage for that trip. Nearly got a used bike anyway, as I found one with only 1100 miles and $1500 of accessories for $3000 less. There are quite a few bargains like that around, especially if you're patient and don't mind a long-distance fly-and-ride.
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  18. JoeShoreline

    JoeShoreline "I'm Gonna Take That Ride Again"

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    I'm not sure I would buy new again. In 2014 the were no used bikes because it was the first year of the 1190R .The value of these bikes drops quite a bit over a year or two. There are plenty of bikes with low miles for sale that are simply too much bike for some riders. Those are the bikes to buy. With a little patience you can usually negotiate on one of them to suit your budget. Plus if you resell it you can get most or all of your money back. For me, I'm only going to run these bikes through the dirt/woods any how. I will fall and they will get scuffed up. Why incur the depreciation?
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  19. RTwo

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    I bought a 11 month old (6K miles) 1290 SA-s for 1200
    It had just had its 1 yr/9000 service, new tyres, travel pack, crash bars, Akropovic end can
    The paperwork shows it was 1600 new

    I'm happy :-)
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  20. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    I hope you just dropped a zero from each of those numbers :)
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