CSC City Slicker

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  1. longhaul747

    longhaul747 Long timer

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    CSC has updated its Blog!

    http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=29515

    Some nice bits featured on this bike. The battery is removable and even has a handle on it. Takes about 5 seconds (or less) as mentioned on the blog. Also has convenient spot for the charger where a gas tank would normally be.

    Really looking forward to it. Still awaiting more real world testing. However it looks like it will do nicely for the dirty city work and my short but horrible 7 mile commute. One thing we have noticed on our e-golf at work is the hills. Normally the range is about 80 miles but go up and down a lot of hills and the range is considerably less. Makes sense considering the amount of energy needed to climb a hill. The City Slicker will be no different but it would be curious to see the penalty on a small machine like this. 20 mile charge @ 35 mph is all I need with hills in mind!
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    @gatling happen to have the cost of an extra battery yet?
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  3. EvrythingAwesom

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    I usually buy a more-powerful battery charger for Lithium bikes, to keep the charging time down to 2 hours, tops. Worth it.

    Been able to charge everywhere there is an electric outlet. At gas stations, mostly without asking for permission from the gas station attendants -- never once had a problem. Whenever I asked, I was only refused once or twice. Done this hundreds of times at gas stations since 1999 or so. Of course, I buy something at the gas bar. These "refusals" were only in the last two years.

    A friend has a 3/4 size DIY-modified electric motorcycle (similar to a Super Soco, which has a "bike-ish" non-threatening form-factor) where he rigged a very stealthy charger. He parked by a hotel wall, just 5 feet from the main entrance, and plugged into an electric outlet. Unless you were looking directly at the electric outlet, you would never know he was sucking amps for free. My eGrom was at another outlet by the hotel's other side, also sucking amps, for free. We both had lunch there, not free.

    Isn't there another el-moto in this forum that looks like a bicycle?
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  4. longhaul747

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    CSC is now taking deposits on the City Slicker!

    After much debate and research I went ahead and pulled the trigger. My commute is just getting much to difficult and its hard on man and machine plus my fuel economy sucks. Currently pegging 1.25 hours for a 7.3 mile commute thanks to some road construction in the area. Honestly you can get there quicker with a brisk walk lately. The City Slicker obviously won't be a cure all but no clutch to work and no fuel to waist inching up at the 1/4 mile queues at each stop sign. Plus the small size of the City Slicker will make it much easier to balance when you are riding at a half mile per hour the majority of the time.

    My neighbor is looking to achieve the same goal but will be going a different route (he is in better shape then me). He will be getting an e-bike. The e-bike has some advantages but some other disadvantages as well. One of the advantages is you can use the bicycle lanes and bicycle trails which we have plenty of. I have also seen some e-bikes using the sidewalks. Overall this would be a very efficient way to get around. You also don't need to worry about having them plated or pay yearly licensing fees. The problem I have with an e-bike is some of my routes with a 35 mph speed limit have no sidewalks or bicycle lanes. Its very dangerous and several times per year a biker gets hit by a car a few have been killed on those roads. Most e-bikes are good for about 20 mph. The City Slicker with a max speed of 45 provides a much safer margin. Also range on these e-bikes is typically 20 miles on a good day. The City Slicker offers double the range or more.

    Also this is a huge gray area but you may on occasion get away with using the City Slicker on at least some bike lanes. Many of them run parallel to the regular car lanes and with the City Slicker being small and electric you can probably get away with it on occasion. I have seen Grom's with gasoline engines do it and the occasional E-Grom do it with success. Being plated they are technically not legal to do it but in many areas nobody is paying attention. Now sidewalks and bike trails likely remain no go zones obviously again tread at your own risk and state laws very!
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  5. RCmoto

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    Congrats!

    Are they able to give you a delivery ETA?
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  6. longhaul747

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    No not yet. They still need to be built and then start the long journey from Chongqing to California. Then they will sit awaiting inspection by Customs and the EPA. Since they are electric this should be a breeze but you still have to wait for them to actually get to it. CSC is targeting the end of September but we won't know until they move further down the process. Its likely any delays will be short!

    Commuted on my Grom to work today. Same route I plan to take the City Slicker. Top speed reached was 42 MPH at that was brief. Most of the time I was going 30 mph or a hair over. Only 1 good hill I had to climb over. The Grom can do it but I could only top out at about 30 mph. This made me wonder how the City Slicker would do? In theory with all that instant torque the City Slicker should fair better. Power consumption climbing the hill especially at higher speeds may be a concern though. This will be all new for me but as long as it can go 25 to 30 mph up that hill that is all that matters. Speed limit is 35 mph up the hill but 9 times out of 10 you get behind a slow truck and often the cars can't go any faster. Never been harassed on that hill despite the slow speeds!
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  7. Jay_In_Milpitas

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    The key there is to keep the bike lane speed down to about 20 mph. You know, like a typical bike would do. Don't bring attention to yourself.
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  8. RCmoto

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    I sent a msg to CSC asking about price on a 2nd/spare battery, since the 6-8 charge time is a deal breaker for me, they replied don't have a number for them yet :(

    Is there a 3rd party battery equivalent that would work?
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  9. longhaul747

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    Maybe times have changed but I have a feeling the battery pack is at least 50% the cost of the machine. Maybe CSC will surprise us on the cost?

    I was wondering this myself. I don't plan to have a 2nd battery pack but eventually they will start to not hold up as well. This might be 5+ years down the road but eventually the battery power meter will not last as long as it used to and worse that you will no longer make your trip. At some point the battery pack will have to be replaced.

    It would be cool if its upgradable and follows so sort of standard in place. So in the future when better battery tech comes out you can swap in a compatible battery and perhaps get more capacity. Its all hard to say and I am sure the industry has some planned obsolescence in mind and that they will want us to buy a whole new bike in 5 years if you want to go farther. Just like early HDTV's and the computer world this is the excepted norm.
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  10. RCmoto

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    I assume they're waiting on this 1st shipment to see how many are sold, before they get final figures for parts. I understand, but they could give a high estimate and then give better news when the # comes in less. It's hard to factor in this 1st batch discount.

    Like you said, if a battery is close to $1k, then it makes a big difference. The cost will prob. go down in time, but for me I'd want the extra with initial purchase.
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  11. Jay_In_Milpitas

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    Hopefully something like this may not be that far off?
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  12. gatling

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    I took a City Slicker home today. You can follow the adventures at ExhaustNotes.

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  13. Motorwerx

    Motorwerx Been here awhile

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    Very cool, interested to hear your impressions! Might have to change the name of your website soon though... :lol3
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  14. gatling

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    Maybe. Pondering NoExhaustNotes.

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    Just make sure to give us real-world range and speed numbers.... and the most important question that I am sure everyone has been wanting to ask.... Can it Whoolie?
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  16. Ogre_fl

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    Are these larger ergonomically than a Grom or Razkull?
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  17. gatling

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    Lots more coming, guys, a bit at a time. I haven't ridden either a Grom or a Raz (not even sure what the latter is), but I think the City Slicker is about the same size as a Grom (I'll look into this further). Range, speed, etc., is coming up. It will all be on the www.ExhaustNotes.us/blog and I'm feeding the info to CSC for their use, too. The bikes are new to CSC and to Zongshen (CSC is the US importer and the US is the world's first export market). Rode the bike two up last night, watch the blog for that entry.
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  18. Ogre_fl

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    FWIW, The Razkull is SSR's Grom competitor with ducati styling cues similar to the City Slicker.
    Thought you might be familiar with it and brought it up as I recently looked at one and the ergos were a HUGE (or should I say small) no-go for me.
    The City Slicker looks bigger/longer to me.

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  19. gatling

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    Okay. I saw that bike in China under other names. I kind of liked it, actually. Zongshen has one called the Breakout with a 150cc CG engine that I liked even more. Those CG engines are near bulletproof if you keep oil in them.

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  20. longhaul747

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    The wheelbase is about 2 inches longer on the City Slicker. Using a picture of a City Slicker on my phone while comparing it to a 2014 Grom which I have the City Slicker looks a hair bigger with more bulk. Unscientific I know but that it what I came up with. The City Slicker is not a big bike and I did not bother to compare ergo's but the City Slicker is a hair larger. Until they are side by side its anyone's guess!
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