Garmin GPS Help-MABDR

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by Kemary, Aug 3, 2018.

  1. Kemary

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    I plan on riding the Mid Atlantic BDR in September and have been reading for the last week on this sight and others about how to load the map into my GPS. My problem is that I have a car GPS (Garmin Drive 50LM). I have never used the GPS for this type of adventure ride. I loaded the tracks from the MABDR website into Basecamp but from what I can tell, my GPS will not recognize tracks. Am I wasting my time trying to do this with my current GPS? When I have the GPS plugged into the computer and Basecamp open, the route shows up fine on the maps that are loaded in the GPS. Help please.
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    you really don't want to use routes on a gps that will recalculate without you asking for it... you'll end up with a bunch of frustration and wanted time.

    instead of going through multiple steps and converting junk, just load up an app and go ride. here's the entire gpx with waypoints, ready to go. it takes SECONDS to download and display the tracks, or EDIT them as needed.
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    OhGood, thanks for the reply but I'm not sure how to take your image and download it. I can copy it but then what? Sorry for the stupidity. I've been road riding for 36 years with over a half million motorcycle miles but this whole downloading tracks, routes, gpx files has me lost.
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    If you want to stick with your Garmin you can, but you’ll have to invest some time in Basecamp.

    Bring in the tracks, convert them to routes, simple right click operation. Compare the route to the track to make sure they match. If they match, insert via points after every turn to force your device to follow route exactly. If they don’t match, drag the route to match the track and then insert the via points.

    Unless you know Basecamp well, this will likely be too cumbersome. As ohgood said, load an app, download the maps you need, download the tracks and go. Locus is best, but given your earlier comments, I would recommend Galileo Pro, much easier to learn.
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    Everyone, thanks for the help. I loaded the GPX tracks from the MABDR website onto my phone. I have the Osman app and it took about 30 seconds total. I viewed the route and it looks like everything is there and I should be good to go. BUT as a backup, I converted the tracks to routes in Basecamp and put those onto the GPS microsd card. I overlayed the route to the track and it looks identical. I also had just updated the maps in the GPS which I think helps as it appears to show the forest service roads also. When I get to Damascus I will turn off the rerouting feature on the GPS and see how the phone compares to the GPS. And I still got in a 100 mile ride today! Again, thanks for the help and ride safe!!!!
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    sorry for the confusion. I was pointing out just how long those tracks are, and that letting a gps recalculate them would be horrific for you out on the road. the screen shot was only an example :-) of what 5 seconds of downloading/importing of tracks will look like... instead of plugging into computers, starting up Basecamp, importing, checking maps, exporting to device, double checking Basecamp vs GPS, all that jazz.

    you can upload/download tracks and pictures by using the middle "upload pic or GPS track" in your reply. it's pretty sweet to be able to upload stuff and share it so easily on adv.

    if you look at drtbyk's profile, I believe he has a great tutorial about why tracks work better than routes, the differences, all that fun stuff. before you get really frustrated trying to shoehorn stuff into a GPS that won't work well for your needs, give it a read :-)
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    Got it! I'm starting to figure it out. The phone sure seems a lot easier than the GPS. I'm thinking of buying a Kyocera Duraforce phone from Amazon just for the long battery life and waterproof and only use it for GPS. My Garmin has about 1 hour of battery life so I run with it plugged all the time. On rough roads the plug pops out of the 12v every now and then unless I tape it in. Again thanks for your help.
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    For my own curiously, how many route points in a route can the Drive 50 handle?
    Does the Drive 50 really have the feature to "turn off" the re-routing?
    What route calculation mode are you using, ie turn by turn/faster time, Turn by Turn/shortest or off-road/straight line point to point?
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    What I did was load the tracks from the MABDR website into basecamp and converted that into a route. Each section of track was done individually. I then downloaded that to the GPS. If I then open each section in trip planner on the GPS and hit the "map" button the line shows up on the map. If I zoom in on the line very close, it has the same road names (including forest service roads) as the track in basecamp. Maybe it will not actually work when I get there. But I do have the gpx track in the phone.
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    Ogre_fl the link you sent about Yinzer Motos explanation was great. Unfortunately the website he was using to convert the GPX files to IMG has some issues now and does not let you into it. I found an updated thread where he was explaining the current problems. I wish that I was confident that the GPS would show the proper track when I get there but I am not confident at all in it.
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    make sure you have the Gpx as a TRACK on both devices also, not just a route. the phone doesn't care, but the Garmin will butcher it, if it's a route and you go off course. :-)
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    His garmin Drive 50 car GPS does not do tracks.
    It has to be a route, or an image file of the track.
    Using both is actually a really good set up too.
    You still can have your turn by turn info AND see the original track line should the route go squirrely.

    If you spend a little time on basecamp you can make it work fine with turn by turn routing.
    Typically it will also work fine in offroad routing mode too, if you have enough points to mimic the general flow of the original track file.

    The only thing I am not sure of is point count per route.
    My newest Nuvi (that had trip planner) was really limited on max point count per route, something like 30 points.
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    Ok, with the GPS I see what you mean about it changing the route when you hit the "go" button vs the "map" button. With the map I have the MABDR route exactly but hit go and everything changes. Ogre_fl, I went back to your original response and Yinser_moto's explanation of how to make a track work on a Nuvi. With some help from my son, I downloaded the http://www.javawa.nl/imgfromgpx_en.html which I could not get to work the other night. I reloaded the GPX track from the MABDR website. So far so good. Put the GPX file into the javawa no problem, followed the help directions on choosing POIs, chose the color, checked the box to make a gmapsupp.img, clicked "create map". Everything looked good. Plugged in my microsd card with Garmin folder on it and drug the gmapsupp from the desktop to the microsd card. File transfered all looked good, plugged it in to the GPS and NO TRACK! Put the microsd back in to the computer opened the Garmin file the gmapsupp is there but if I click on that or the file on the desktop, it says "disk image is corrupted". I deleted everything and started over from the beginning 3 time with the same result each time. Any ideas???????? I know this is possible go do. I sure would like to have the GPS and the phone.
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    upload the g.....img somewhere and we'll try it out. it sounds like you have a bad sdcard, sometimes they're labeled 16gb but actually a 2gb card, which corrupts files.
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    Its been awhile since I have done the img file thing on my Nuvi.
    I cant remember if you have to go into setting and choose the new file under maps to make it show up.

    One thing about the routes (turn by turn) getting squirrely when you run them on the GPS unit.
    IF you set up basecamp & your GPS unit identically they will route identically (up to the units point count limits).
    This is an issue a lot of folks have, you can have more parameters/options in basecamp than you have on the GPS unit.
    Once set up the same I ALWAYS recalculate any routes in basecamp to see what they will be on the GPS unit....ie no surprises.
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    I see you are using Osmand on the phone.
    Did you get tracks (15 of them) or did you get 1 ginormous track?
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    In Osmand it is one giant track but I can zoom all the way in on it and see it ok. I PM'd Yinzer_moto about the problem I'm having and he suggested putting the GPX file back in basecamp to verify that the files is tracks and not routes. I did that and it is tracks but also has the pois so I deleted everything except the 15 tracks that make up the MABDR. Put that gpx file into the javawa and got the same result. I reloaded the 32 bit java to make sure that wasnt the problem to no avail, same result. I hate to say it but I think I'm going to order a microsd card with the route on it from GPSKevin. I've spent more time messing with this the last 2 weeks than it is going to take me to ride the MABDR!!!!
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