Garmin Montana

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by AugustFalcon, May 18, 2011.

  1. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    No kidding. I have no idea what changed between yesterday and today. And it seems like only one mount is causing the flawed shutdown right now. We switched Montanas between the two mounts and the gps on the right side dash mount always failed to restart.
  2. Riteris

    Riteris Dessert Runner

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    I think I got it! Thank you.



  3. Madhouse

    Madhouse Semi-Goodlookin!

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    OK, the new Montana has just arrived with Ram Mount and screen protector stuff. The battery is charging.
    I have a question regarding my old 3.02 version Mapsource TOPO software.
    I've used this for my 76 map, 176c,,and on the 60csx.
    I'm asking if this old software will load and work on the Montana like it has on my previous devices.

    Thanks Fella's!
  4. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Yes your old Topo's will load on the Montana.
  5. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    They won't have Digital Elevation Model data but they will work to some extent.
  6. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    GPSCity in Canada is having a Boxing "Week" sale which includes the Montana 650 for $499, but I don't see the same on the US site.
  7. dcstrom

    dcstrom Long timer

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    OK, starting to get to grips with Basecamp/Montana/Open Street Maps... but...

    I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or if I should stop being so cheap and replace the Open Street Maps with City Navigator. I asked a while ago about the pros and cons of OSM vs City Navigator, and I think drtbyk answered, saying that City Navigator was better when searching for addresses. Well... the OSM maps I have can't even find a STATE, let alone a city or address. I know that can't be right.

    Also when searching POI, say for food, it will find places 20 miles away but not the 4 restaurants within a block of me.

    This is on maps I built and downloaded from here http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/

    What am I missing?

    On a completely different subject - and this is probably beyond the scope of anything Basecamp or the Montana will do - is there a way to say "find me all the dirt roads"? Then I could create an off road route easily whenever I "need" to...

    thanks

    Trevor
  8. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    What you are missing is the point I made to you originally (maybe, I'm old and have forgotten the original conversation). OSM maps, as good as they may be visually, are not encoded with the same level of detail and/or adherence to naming and "priority" for POI's as are most commercial maps like CNNA/EU/etc. In the case of OSM maps you need to include the Type file, Mapnik, in your request. The Type file has the data you are interested in when it comes to searching. But, my recent testing of this type file has not yielded consistently good results since you would have to search in the language that the map was developed in. Also, when doing a Search on any Gramin device or in BaseCamp, the less information you provide the better will be the results returned.

    Well, sort of. You can set your preferences for Routing -> Avoidance Setup - so that only Unpaved Roads will be used. The caveat is that a lot of roads may not be "tagged" as Unpaved in the map you are using. This type of routing (search) is not a limitation of the Montana (usually) but rather, of the Maps you use. Historically, most maps didn't tag roads as Unpaved. They just gave them a "less desirable use preference" weighting.

    Cheers,
  9. dcstrom

    dcstrom Long timer

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    Thanks Dan - but yes I did take your original point. The the biggest issue I have (separate but I guess could be related to the POI one) is that I can't find *any* addresses. I believe the original conversation you said the OSM would find fewer, or something to that effect.

    ah yes, the TYPE file! I downloaded different versions, one with one without (since I was unsure what it actually did for me) and now I don't know which I have loaded :doh. Will try the other version.

    What's happening currently is... When I go to Find/Addresses, the first question is "what state/province". I've tried the state abbreviation and full name, but come up with no results either way. If it can't find the state then of course I'm SOL finding an address within that state. However if I go to Find/Cities, I get results just fine.

    Trevor
  10. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Trevor,

    As I indicated above, this condition is due to the lack of proper coding in the TYP file. If you did not include the TYP file (Mapnik) beta when you requested your OSM map then you will also not get much "help" in your searches.

    First, when you select the Enter State Name, bypass the State Name by leaving it blank and clicking the "Check". Then, try the City Name (this may not work depending on the TYP file), I usually click past the Street Number if I encounter poor results and enter what I think might be the Street Name. This usually gets me close.

    Cheers,

    P.S. . . of course you could avoid all of this by using City Navigator maps.
  11. Emmbeedee

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    Ok, I'm not sure why this happens, but if the gps locks up on reboot while in a powered mount, if you remove it from the powered mount and hold the power button in, past the white screen phase, for about 20 seconds, the gps will turn itself off, and it seems to reboot normally from then on in the powered mount for subsequent off/on cycles.

    I don't know how many times it will work normally until the failed state happens again, but this seems to be how both of our Montanas work right now.

    In other words - If you remove the battery from the gps as a way of getting out of the failed restart, it seems to continue the flawed behaviour but if you do the power button shutdown, it seems ok from then on...

    But in order to do the power button shutdown, the gps needs to be off the cradle, unpowered by the mount.

    <fingers crossed>
  12. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    Not sure if the US maps just aren't very detailed, but I am really impressed with the OSMaps of Canada. I found the FTP site below but it has many pre-compiled maps available for fetching, and the one I downloaded which contains all of Canada has many addresses and quite good street navigation info:

    ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/misc/openstreetmap/download.openstreetmap.de/aio/

    And I find the maps really much easier on the eyes than Garmin's versions. The map colours are very well chosen. I created a profile on my Montana called "OSM Only" and that's the profile I use most of the time, these days.

    So you might want to check to see if there's a map there that you can use.
  13. TowPro

    TowPro Single Track Geezer

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    I noticed that last week. But mine is still starting when the power comes back on to the mount. It looks like the problem will come back, but when (or why). If we could duplicate the cause, Garmin could fix it.

    Will
    </fingers>
  14. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    The OSM maps from garmin.openstreetmap.nl for the US are quite detail - although they are also quite large in file size. The issue is doing an Addresses search on the GPS.

    So you have no problems doing a Where To? -> Addresses search using the maps you obtained? If you're not having search issues re: Addresses then this site is compiling maps with a different TYP file from the one (Mapnik) being Beta tested at the the Netherlands site.

    By the way, I'm having no luck connecting to the "aio" file directory at the University site you listed.


    Cheers,
  15. swimmer

    swimmer armchair asshole

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    FWIW, my montana mounted on my versys using the rugged mount mounted to the moto werk universal gps mount for versys. I like to leave the protective screen cover on everything! Taken a couple of trips and am really happy with how the gps is working and the mount itself. I've been over to pretty bumpy dirt roads and also the versys is not the smoothest of motorcycles and i have not had any issues with the montana power being interrupted. I ran the power cable back to my fuze block under my seat and the audio plug comes out at the front of the seat.

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  16. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Just a suggestion - the factory handling mask was not intended as a Screen Protector. Dust will work it's way under the plastic and eventually scratch your screen. If you don't have any particular Screen Protector you like, the Rugged Mount came with three (3) from Garmin.

    Cheers,
  17. swimmer

    swimmer armchair asshole

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    Yea, I know about the 3 that came with the mount, I just haven't gotten around to putting one on.
  18. Emmbeedee

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    I had no trouble navigating to an address today - I did a "Where To", looking for the address of the licencing bureau in a small town about 50 km away from home. The office had moved since the last time I was there, and my phone provided the new address, and OSM maps, the route to it. I just checked on the gps again and the only map enabled was the OSM_All_Canada. Even the Worldwide Demographic Basemap is turned off.

    I did a "Where To" search on "160 Chapel Street" and found many instances, in different cities.

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    This is where I work, sometimes. Again, a "Where To" result:

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    This is what I see in the aio directory:

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    I am really impressed with OSM maps!
  19. Dagwood_55

    Dagwood_55 Long timer

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    When I use a short cut I made for "Stop Navigation", My Montana always changes my profile. I then have to stop and change it back to "motorcycle"

    BTW, it changes my profile to Geocaching.
  20. TowPro

    TowPro Single Track Geezer

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    edit the short cut, and add the motorcycle profile to the shortcut. That way it should toggle to the motorcycle profile every time you use the shortcut, weather it already was on motorcycle or not.