Givi luggage mount gas can?

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  1. DesertDonor

    DesertDonor Been here awhile

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    Had a crazy idea today: why not a gas can that can mount directly on luggage racks made for Givi side cases?

    That's the luggage system I have on my Vstrom. Top case is always there, on an adapter plate. I usually don't use the side cases unless going on a road trip. There are rides in my state where it would be really really nice to have extra gas.

    What I'm thinking is a metal gas can (preferably aluminum to cut down on weight), with hardware welded on to snap on to the rack just like the Givi side case would.

    Does this exist? Has anyone fabricated their own?

    I've looked into ways of carrying extra gas, but so far they all amount to "can that requires a special carrier" or "Rotopax. which is quite expensive and would require all-new luggage."

    As I have the DL1000 Vstrom, gas mileage isn't so great. There are rides where I would feel a lot better if I could carry an extra gallon or two of gas. I very nearly ran out around New Year's, emerging from 100 miles of forest road with not quite enough gas to get to the next town.
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    xit109 Been here awhile

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    I ordered the GIvi made gas can and bracket from Motostorm when I purchased my Trekker Outback cases. Still haven’t mounted it. The extra would be nice to have but apparently the can doesn’t adhere to US laws. Something I think I can easily change with a marker or paint to become legal but it may not be as much as you want to have as a spare.
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  3. DesertDonor

    DesertDonor Been here awhile

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    It may be that the gas jug has to be red because Washington said so. That's the reason Rotopax cites that their gas jugs MUST be red, kerosene blue, and diesel yellow, as well as the plastic being formulated to match the corresponding liquid.

    The Givi gas jug appears to be mainly black, which I guess makes it technically illegal for sale in the US. Which maybe is why you can buy the Trekker case bracket for the jug, but not the jug itself, from US vendors (as far as I can tell).

    Did some more shopping, and here's what I came up with:

    There isn't anything as far as a gas jug that snaps on like my Givi side cases do.

    I have the long-discontinued Givi E36 cases, which lack any fittings that would allow me to use the Givi jerry can brackets (either E148 or E149) sold for the Trekker cases. So that's out too.

    I could go super cheap & just strap an ordinary 2-gallon gas jug (like the Scepter ones) to my luggage rack. Might stay on, if I threaded rope or a strap through the carry handle. Probably. Would likely bounce around a lot.

    A more elegant option: tie a Rotopax jug to my luggage rack, using Rok straps or rope.

    The thing a Rotopax jug has that other gas containers don't (patent reasons?), is several holes that let you thread straps through it. They can be secured pretty well even if you don't have the official Rotopax mount hardware (which I'd have nowhere to attach on my Vstrom anyway).

    As well, Rotopax jugs are much narrower than ordinary gas jugs, and come in smaller sizes.

    The 1.75 gallon Rotopax is probably the sweet spot for me, as it holds a significant amount of fuel, is relatively compact, and is a much better bargain in $-per-volume vs. the Rotopax 1-gallon jug, at about $64.

    There are also the Fuelpax jugs. However, they are barely any cheaper than their Rotopax counterparts, and are made of a thinner plastic (blow molded instead of rotationally molded).

    So what I'll probably do is get the 1.75 gallon Rotopax and strap it to a luggage rack.

    If I have the side cases on, maybe the Rotopax could go sideways on the back half of the seat. As long as it doesn't leak, like it's supposed to not leak.
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  4. Maggot12

    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

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    Lots of ways to skin this cat. Can go rotopax or mount a can to a rear foot peg.

    Google image for lots of ideas.

    Most riders want the luggage and gas carrying ability. Not one or the other.

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  5. DesertDonor

    DesertDonor Been here awhile

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    You're right, there is only a very small use case for having to leave off a side case to carry a gas can.

    Rotopax jugs supposedly work quite well whether laid flat or upright, so I thought about strapping one behind me, on the seat between me and my top case. The passenger grab bars are the perfect place to secure a few Rok straps to hold the jug in place.

    So I did some measuring. Only the 1-gallon Rotopax is small enough to plausibly fit on the seat behind me, laid flat.

    It's looking like a better approach would be, strapping a jug to the outside of one of my side cases in some fashion. I have the no-frills E36 Monokey side cases, which aren't flat on any side but where they hook on the rack, but I'm pretty sure I could find a way to make that work.
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  6. szurszewski

    szurszewski Long timer

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    If you really are ok with replacing, at times, one side case with a fuel cell, could you make a plate that "clips" to your bag mount and then mount a rotopack on that?

    I don't know exactly what your givi mounts look like, but it seems likely something could work. If they are hoop-style it would be pretty easy to make a plate to fit with Jesse style pucks to attach it.
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    DesertDonor Been here awhile

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    I don't know what a Jesse puck is, but it would be far easier (and cheaper) to just strap the Rotopax jug directly to the luggage rack:
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    vs. make some kind of mounting plate. So I'll probably do that.

    One thing that makes the Rotopax jugs appealing is, they have multiple molded-in holes with which to secure them to something else. Pretty much every other gas jug, can, or bottle I've come across has few or no attachment points, & requires a special carrier. Or you're just supposed to sit it inside a case and hope it doesn't bounce around too much & leak, I guess.
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  8. DesertDonor

    DesertDonor Been here awhile

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    Also in this episode of Vstrom owning: a tale of rider stupidity!

    Since I bought the bike, the throttle cables have gotten a little tight whenever the forks were turned all the way right.

    This was due to a couple of things: 2" Rox handlebar risers installed by a previous owner, and also poor (IMO) cable routing. For whatever reason, throttle cables are routed through a clamp on the frame to the left of the steering stem, before then going through the triple tree and up the right handlebar to the throttle.

    There is not enough slack to route the throttle cables through the curly wire support attached to the triple tree. So, with forks hard to the right, the throttle was pulled a little off idle, and the cables were taut across the nearby parts of the triple tree. No bueno!

    This lack of slack has long annoyed me, and was starting to wear through the cable sheating where they contacted the brake master cylinder.

    On Friday afternoon, dumb me suddenly realized I could easily provide the needed slack. All I had to do was unbolt the throttle housing, rotate it forward about 30° on the handlebar, and the problem was solved. No more stress on the throttle cables.

    I have no idea why a previous owner didn't do this. So much easier than rerouting the cables, or buying new longer ones!
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  9. szurszewski

    szurszewski Long timer

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    Yes, it would be easier and cheaper to just strap it on. I suggested the pucks since you asked for a mount that would attach to your rack. Here is a pic from an eBay listing for a similar set of mounting hardware:

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    And here is the listing

    Basically you'd make a plate out whatever (ideally metal but I'm sure wood would work if you don't have metal tools), put those pucks on it and put your Roto mount on there. Very easy then to change between a roto can of your choice and your luggage and no straps to mess with. If you didn't want to spend the bucks, you could make up the mounting hardware at your local hardware store for a lot less than $50 - and could probably be ok with three mounting points instead of four.

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    Listed in the flea market!

    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/pannier-mounting-kit.1289574/





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  11. DesertDonor

    DesertDonor Been here awhile

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    I ordered a Rotopax 1.75 gallon gas jug yesterday. I'll try to make it work, and if I can't find a way to mount it to the bike, I'll send it back and figure out something else.

    It was a tough call, but I felt the 1.75 gallon size offered the best balance of mileage added, weight, and usability as it has handles on 3 of 4 sides (meaning, easier to secure with Rok straps or rope or similar).

    Apparently, the included fuel nozzle is trash. Does anyone know whether there's a widely-available aftermarket spout that fixes this problem, or is one compelled to purchase the Rotopax-brand "water" replacement spout due to funky threading or some such?
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  12. DesertDonor

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    FWIW, I found the following product, billed as a Givi-Rotopax adapter plate:

    https://www.windingroads.co.uk/brand/rotopax-uk/rotopax-motorcycle-adapter-plate

    Doesn't look like it would work with my Givi side case racks, as it lacks any way to connect to the gray wedge at the top. Still, this plate is stated to be compatible with Givi Monokey racks.

    Someone on Reddit showed me this interesting "Rotopax L bracket":

    http://www.altrider.com/rotopax-l-bracket/pid/398

    You secure the base of the "L" under your top case, as illustrated here:

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    In the meantime, I found a way to strap the gas jug directly to a side rack:

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    Not super elegant and I have to give up a side case, but it'll do for now.
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