Had to have the loud pipe talk with Buddy

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Rick G, Jun 29, 2018.

  1. Rick G

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    So one of my old college buddies called me the other day. He had a Honda CB550 back in the day while in college. Hasn't ridden much if any since. Has a brother who is a die hard Harley fan loud pipes barca lounger and all. Anyway, recently he was at my place and saw my newish Bonneville and asks to sit on it. I can see he still has the itch.

    Fast forward to the phone call. He tells me he is thinking of spending 5 Grand for a bike and is thinking Bonneville or Sportster. And then he said it. "I want a bike that is really loud so people will see me on the road", meaning for safety.

    So I got up on my soap box and gave him my opinion (sermon) that loud pipes don't save lives so much but certainly annoy people and risk riding rights. Talked to him about re-learning how to ride in a safe environment and to think good riding gear. He knows all too well about my deer accident and how the gear saved my life.

    Not sure if he got the message or not but I did offer to help him find a bike if he is serious.

    So would you have had the loud pipe talk if he was your buddy?

    Rick G
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  2. KSO

    KSO Grab a Handfull

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    My buddies already know better as in loud pipes suck
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  3. Zencyl

    Zencyl Been here awhile

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    Nope. My friends can have whatever kind of bike they want. I'll still ride with and support them.
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  4. Anticyclone

    Anticyclone Ride more worry less

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    I’d just wait until he bought it, then make him ride in the back and make fun of him at every stop.
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  5. Retired and lovin it

    Retired and lovin it Been here awhile

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    I have given up with trying to convince others to be responsible riders. They will do what they want in the end. I just don't ride with people that want loud and proud and no helmets or gear, as they go from bar to bar and drink.
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  6. maximus_flavius

    maximus_flavius Long timer

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    Yep. Typical pirates. Loud, obnoxious, unsafe, & drunk.
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  7. windmill

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    If someone thinks they need loud pipes for their safety, I take it as a sign their riding skills, confidence, and knowledge are seriously lacking, so for my own well being and piece of mind, I simply won't ride with them.
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  8. jay547

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    No. When it becomes obvious that they've fallen into the loud pipes, bar to bar, poker run, and road captain mentality, I pretty much just give up and don't talk bikes anymore.
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  9. Mande92

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    I definitely would. Since he doesn't yet have a bike he might be swayed. Once he has one, it will be many times harder to change his mind.
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  10. C/1/509

    C/1/509 Why?

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    I would say something, but wouldn't go with a sermon.
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  11. CSI

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    On occasion, I still ride with my HD friends.....there was one guy in the group however, that could be counted on for two things:

    1. Causing the group to get split up (he is slow as molasses in January)

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    2. Having an obnoxiously loud bike.

    Last time he rode with us was 2014 or so.....I had mentioned a couple of times that his old Screamin' Eagle slip ons were all clapped out...he came back with "I took it to the dealer, and they said the baffles are still fine". A few of the other guys in attendance (who were HD riders, btw) looked at him and said "Well, he may have said there are baffles in there, but it still sounds like shit"

    He stopped riding with us.

    Amazingly, my headaches stopped.... (just kidding.......I was never behind him....)
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  12. 9Realms

    9Realms Drawn in by the complex plot

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    Some people was just brought up different.

    I have a chum I used to snowmobile with. He rode like a complete idiot, so when I eventually rode motorcycles with him (quite briefly...:lol3) it did not come as much of a surprise that his riding practices were distasteful to me. So, the short story is he doesn't get invited to ride with my ride buddies and I, as I can guarantee he would piss them off too.

    Some people can't be re-educated, they have to figure it out on their own (and that day might never come).

    I appreciate the fact that you thought your friend's thought process was a tad "off".
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  13. popscycle

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    The few times this was an issue, my response was basic and went something like this: "When you are riding that motorcycle, please do not come into my neighborhood and understand that I won't ride with you. Excessive noise is unhealthy, irritates people and hurts both our image and riding freedom . I hope you understand and appreciate my position on this."
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  14. Rick G

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    Too late for the soap box sermon! LOL

    I did tell him it was only my opinion and he should do what is best for him, but that I would be happy to mentor if he so wishes. WE are not kids. Without giving away our ages, lets say we both graduated Penn State in 76.

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  15. SlipChip

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    Hell yes I would. I'm about ready to flag down a couple of guys that ride past my house regularly.
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  16. racer

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    My son-in-law has a Road King with loud pipes, however, that is not the problem. The bike is 12 years old and he asked me to ride it some. I noticed that the front brake was pulsing a bit and that he may need to have the rotors checked. He said he never uses the front brake so it didn't matter. I'm on the fence about whether or not to show him on the Killboy failurefest thread, what happens when you only use the back brake.
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  17. Huzband

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    Are you happy he married your daughter? The answer to that question will answer the other one. :D
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  18. Dogscout

    Dogscout Wow why and adventure

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    Its not my bike. Yeah I think loud pipes are a joke and annoy the crap out of people, and I don't believe any of the save lives BS. I love the fact that we can personalize our bikes in many many ways and if you like chrome and loud pipes on a cruiser well that's just fine. I also think modulated headlights are a bad idea but I am not going to talk you out of it. I'll laugh at you, but its not my bike. There are lots of people with multiple GPS's phones, radar detectors and other electronic crap that think they are superior to the other guy and to me its just strange, but its not my bike. Put a milk crate on a KLR and some will laugh and ridicule you. Put a power commander and custom exhaust on a GSXR and think that you are better at dialing it in that the engineers at Suzuki? Go ahead.

    If he wants loud pipes then he will justify it in his head and you will be talking to a wall. Maybe he wants to be a lemming.
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  19. Zentriumph

    Zentriumph Been here awhile

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    Meaning he has got loud pipes???

    Either way, try to make him understand that LOUD PIPES DO NOT SAVE LIVES!!!..................It is complete bullshit & he needs to be told from the pulpit!!!

    Todays cars are not only soundproof, drivers like to pump up the volume on their in-car Bose systems as well as some wear ear buds to converse on the phone!
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  20. aldend123

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    It doesn't have to be a 'talk' if it comes up through normal discussion. Just share your view like two people covering a topic. So yes, I would and have with miscellaneous people. But they've usually been non-riders who had heard the theory at some point in the past. And rather than telling the person why they shouldn't do it, you can frame it on why you don't have loud pipes, or why you don't see them a significantly important safety device. If the debate continues, at some point it can make sense to cut to the chase - ask if it's more about enjoying the sound than safety. It's a lot easier to debate the actual issue instead of the cover story.
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