hi Viz gear

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by ZiggyInNc, Mar 11, 2018.

  1. ZiggyInNc

    ZiggyInNc Been here awhile

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    You guys are really selling me on the idea of getting some subtle color combo I like and then a reflective vest. I hate carrying extras but it seems it might be worth it. Then I could use it both with my leather jacket as well as with a full riding suit.
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  2. StuartV

    StuartV Motorcyclist

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    I don't.

    32+ years now with no hi-viz and never had an accident involving any other vehicle. I've only crashed once on the street in the last 30 years, and that was me, all by myself, exceeding the limits of my talent. Lost the front end and slid off into a ditch.

    I wear a black Motoport mesh kevlar suit with a strip of Scotchlite across the back and strips down the sides of the lower legs. Or, I wear a Roadcrafter 1pc, also all black with Scotchlite across the back and on the lower legs. Sometimes, a black helmet. Sometimes, a red/white/black helmet. Only stock lighting on my bikes.

    I think decent riding skills, good judgment, and excellent situational awareness are the keys to avoiding bumper cars. If you have all that and a dollop of good luck, you will be pretty darn safe (from bumper cars). If you don't have all that, hi-viz is not going to save your ass.
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  3. ZiggyInNc

    ZiggyInNc Been here awhile

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    My experience is similar to yours butnow that I’m retired and doing more long distance I’m just trying to improve my odds :-)
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  4. StuartV

    StuartV Motorcyclist

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    Nothing wrong with hi-viz, for sure! I just don't think it makes enough difference to my odds for me to be willing to wear something that looks so ugly (to ME).

    I would rather throw a boxful of red and white Scotchlite stickers on the back and sides of my helmet and bike.

    Also, remember, you go where you look. Or, maybe I should say, car drivers go where they look. Doing more to get them to look at you is, to ME, somewhat of a two-edged sword.

    Anyway, if you're going to be doing more long distance, that says (to me) less time in urban traffic. And urban traffic is where I think hi-viz would be more useful.
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  5. Shaolin

    Shaolin Been here awhile

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    I can only hope that my riding skills are as good as some of you. We can never vouch for the drivers in our environs. We can control our end of the safety bargain but that driver thinking about that left turn in front of you may not have seen you or misjudged distance/speed. Hi viz gear is just something that stacks the odds more in our favor. Riding is still a gamble and our luck may have held up all this time. Me, I have my vest and my aux lights on. Noticed a marked decrease in people making left hand turns in front of my bike. All I want is to get back home in one piece and be able to chew on food. Good luck and be safe out there.
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  6. Rovernutt

    Rovernutt The best 1x2xfar?

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    I commute by moto in the Boston area with its notoriously-bad drivers, once the salt is off the road [Can we please be done with the snow? Expecting ~a foot tomorrow]
    Whatever it takes to tip the scales in one's favor: Clearwater Glenda's in front, flashing Hyperlites aft, Hi-viz Olympia Dakar jacket (sadly NLA) & white C3 in the middle. After 3 years, I don't see any fading of the hi-viz fabric, though it could do with a wash to remove some of the road grime.
    What tipped me over the edge to go hi-viz was when my wife reminded me that there are drivers like her out there...
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  7. appliance57

    appliance57 Long timer

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    It's the suburban drivers that screw things up - to much xanax and too many suburban cowboy pick ups. Boston proper - not bad as long as you don't slow for a yellow - that's where they'll get you.
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  8. Gone Troppo

    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    If my BMW eye searing hi viz jacket stops one idiot pulling out on me, it has paid for itself.

    Hi Viz is NO substitute for road craft and situational awareness. It is merely another weapon in the arsenal.
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  9. neanderthaler

    neanderthaler Been here awhile

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    HiViz makes left lane drivers jump out of your way on the highway
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  10. NJEnduroBiker

    NJEnduroBiker '13 Super Tenere

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    If you're thinking about HiViz then you are obviously concerned about safety.
    I recently bought a Helite Turtle Air Bag vest in HiViz so I'm more visible regardless of what color my jacket is, plus the air bag of course!
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  11. billbob412

    billbob412 Been here awhile

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    Also, remember, you go where you look. Or, maybe I should say, car drivers go where they look. Doing more to get them to look at you is, to ME, somewhat of a two-edged sword. I agree sometimes i just want to try to hide from these Aholes
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  12. squish

    squish Out of the office.

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    I used to wear high viz gear, but I was sick of my stuff always looking dirty
    So I switched to high viz decals on the bike, a high viz vest and light colored gear (Tan and light brown jackets, white helmet)
    I'd still be wearing an Orange Shoei if they still made the helmet.

    I believe high viz works as a tool in your quiver of tools to mitigate some risks of riding.
    But it's not the only thing that works. its just part of a larger plan. including, skills, lane positions, situational awareness
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  13. gasgasmi

    gasgasmi Long timer

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  14. swiss-happy

    swiss-happy Happy Joe

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    I don’t wanna look like the postman, the policeman, the delivery man, the construction worker, and surely not a kindergarten kid.

    So no.
    I wear instead a visible grey reflective motorcycle jacket.


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  15. skysailor

    skysailor Rat Rider

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    The best thing about hi viz......you can't see it....you're wearing it. It's up to everyone else to get past the gag factor.
    Just got a spanking new Kili in high viz. I'll look like a turd in a glass of milk....but I shall be noticed.
    SturatV...... even a white helmet might save your day.......only takes once.
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  16. mgarrett

    mgarrett How far to Murphy?

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    I bought a yellow RoadCrafter suit two years ago. Unless they've changed their fabric it isn't the sort of "day glow" yellow-green that most of the other manufacturers use. It's just a bright yellow but still noticeable. Which will catch other driver's attention better? I can't say. I suspect how much of the garment is using the hi-viz fabric is an issue, whether the day-glow variety or just yellow like the RoadCrafter. If you've looked around you've noticed that some manufacturers us a little, some a lot. Prior to the RoadCrafter I wore an Olympia Motorsports hi-viz yellow coat. I've had comments from people while wearing both that it "stood out." The old Olympia did fade over the years but still sort of jumped out color wise. The RoadCrafter hasn't seemed to fade much but it's only two years old at this point. In the photo below you can see the difference in color between the suit and the hi-viz yellow helmet.

    Keep in mind too, lighter colors will show dirt much more quickly than darker colors. Even after washing mine shows more stains (as did the Olympia before it) than a darker color would. The lighter color doesn't heat up as much or as quickly as a darker color when riding in town or caught in traffic at lower speeds. The darker colors are more of a sun magnet, not so much of an issue while moving at speed but quickly apparent when you must slow down for a time.

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  17. Bobo413

    Bobo413 Been here awhile

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    image.jpeg I wear a Hi Vis Roadcrafter for comfort & safety. I Really don't care what others think about the way it looks, Cool /UnCool... I know that drivers can see me better than non Hi Vis . This color gear & a modulating headlamp really standout & wake up distracted drivers ....
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  18. S21FOLGORE

    S21FOLGORE Been here awhile

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    I made this video in 2015, from my dash-cam footage.



    In first 1 minute or so, you can see two examples of Hi-Viz gear working.

    Wearing Hi-Viz, white helmet, conspicuity lights do work, to certain degree.

    I personally wear Hi-Viz yellow R-3, but I don't rely on it, and totally understand what StuartV and others are saying.

    In the end, situation awareness and staing focused are the most important thing (I guess we all agree on that.)
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  19. bicyclenut

    bicyclenut Adventurer

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    I wear Fly Terra Trek in colder months and a Cortech Mesh in summer both in Hi-Vis as well as a Shoei Yellow helmet. No, definitely not the "cool" factor but when I commute to work and I walk in and a customer says "I could see you coming a mile away" I know it must help because I never get that comment walking in wearing a regular Non Hi-Vis car driving jacket. It's just a part of the visibility arsenal that includes Clearwater lights, an Admore SMT brake light and reflective tape. 3M makes a tape that looks black by day and reflects a gray/white at night in light that can be placed on topbox and other locations that blend in during the day. Situational awareness, lane position, making sure drivers see you (flash lights, zigzag on approach, horn) and always assuming drivers don't see you are others.

    My summer jacket does show some fading around shoulder area.

    No guarantee everyone will see you just because of the hi-vis, but at least in my area, any additional method to be seen is worth it.

    I'm waiting for the day when state law requires motorcyclists to put a strobe on the top of helmet like you see on school buses around my area to be seen better, as if a bright yellow vehicle is not enough.

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  20. swiss-happy

    swiss-happy Happy Joe

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    I recently bought this.
    Good quality at around $130.
    Lights up at night. [​IMG][​IMG]

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