KTM 1190ADV S / 1290SA Ultimate Tire Thread

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  1. slartidbartfast

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    You haven’t ridden a big KTM have you? I did get 7000 out of the OE rear tire on my 1290SA but it’s so much fun to ride, I’d probably be ok with buying two rear tires for every oil change.
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  2. tmark1301cc

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    Too late; and I did manage 8k+ out of the OEM shoes.

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  3. 3rdgeargrndrr

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    Your pictures are pretty much spot on to my usual environment, this is exactly the type of riding I do,and +1 on the sticky knee deep mud, and bouncing off the rocky shelves! haha

    very interested in your impressions.
    also, what are you aired down to? I plan on keeping the tires around 25/30.
    Also currently on TKC80 until something better in the mud comes around
  4. bikemoto

    bikemoto Tyre critic

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    Thanks for a thoughtful write-up.

    My Anakee Wild rear looks like it will do 3000 miles, maybe more. It's hard to judge how that compares to the TKC80, but mine looks like it has more meat left on it now at 2800 miles than your TKC80 at 2100 miles:

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    The last 400 miles have been particularly hard on it, lots of gravel roads and maybe 50 miles of quite technical rock. I've just done a 3000 km trip two-up fully loaded with lots of gravel/rocky roads (the main reason for fitting it) in high summer, so it hasn't had an easy life.

    Given I got all of 2600 miles from the TKC80 on the 640 Adventure, somehow I don't think I'd get that on the 1190... which means the Wild has likely achieved 50% longer life than a TKC80, maybe more.
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  5. bohawk

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    I ran 28 front and rear with the TKC80's unless I was going to do some extended highway miles in the summer. I have been hesitant to go much lower, at least in the front, due to the low profile of these tires and the rough trails I frequently find myself on. I am currently running the same 28/28 pressure with the TKC80 front and E07 rear combo.

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    Here is a little better picture than the other one I posted. It probably had a little less than 2000 miles on it here. One thing I have noticed with the three TKC80 rears I have had, the wear rate seems to slow down considerably at this point. It would be fine for riding on the street but marginal in some off road circumstances. Your Anakee Wild definitely has more tread left with nearly a thousand more miles on it.

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  7. Rob180

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    How do they compare in actual measured width. Some have claimed the E-07 is narrowed for the same listed size?
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    I hope that Mitas updates som of their other E07 rear sizes to the new design. 150/70/17 and 150/70/18 in particular....
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    I personally have never got over 3500 on a back tire on a big adventure bike. I’ve tried them all. I like the Anakee wild for traction, the speed rating of a radial tire, but at 3500 they are pretty much done. I don’t like running maypops so I swap them out. The fronts will usually go two back tires then I swap them out.


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  11. The_Eccentric

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    Sweet! Thanks for the link. Wonder when they'll start shipping those other sizes. I'd like to try the 150/70/17 rear (and maybe the 110/90/19 front if one becomes available) E-07+ on my Vstrom. May get a KTM 1090 Adventure R or 1290 Super Adventure R some time down the road, and might try the 150/70/18 rear (and maybe the 90/90/21 front if it becomes available) E-07+ on it.

    In this other thread, a US importer stated he didn't know when (or if) the other sizes were going to be offered in the new style.

    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/mitas-e-07-170-60-17-120-70-19-in-stock.1271758/
  12. bikemoto

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    I have been riding Mitas e-07s for a couple of years on my 1190 S. I road 3000 miles on the TAT last year on the Mitas. I have got 10K miles on a rear and even more on the front. The rear size was the 150 given no 170 was available. I live in Georgia where the soil composition is less rocky and more clay. The TAT last year (out West in Colorado and Utah) really chewed up the rear but it was still more than functional to ride 2000 miles home from Salt Lake City. I aired the tires to 24-26 psi on the trail and they worked OK. I checked the tire temp often and they never seemed to overheat. I'm still running the front tire which probably has 12K miles on it now. I wear a super quiet Schuberth helmet these days. If I didn't have that Schuberth, I'm sure the road noise would drive me to change out the front. Now, my friends will tell you that I ride like an old woman so that may be why I get so many miles out of my tires. But, the e07s will get decent mileage given certain conditions.

    I soundly recommend the E-07 as a good all around tire. I actually like them more than the K60 Heidenau although they are both good for the bigger bikes. They won't turn a big adventure bike into a trail bike but they are good enough for gravel roads and double tracks. Mud and deep sand are challenging but manageable in small amounts. I have toyed with the idea of trying the Mitas e-09 or e-10 to improve the 1190's off-road manners but haven't pulled the trigger given I run 80% road and 20% dirt. We are going to do the entire TAT in July 2018 but I'm taking my 690r rather than the 1190. No matter what tire, for tough conditions, you can't beat having 200lbs less motorcycle to muscle around the trails. Of course, highly skilled riders can overcome the weight of a big bike. I'm just not that skilled. :)
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    The E07 certainly looks narrower in the above, unmounted picture. I think it looks wider when mounted but still not quite as wide as the TKC80. Some of that may be optical confusion.
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    I measured around the tread from edge to edge and they were both just shy of 8" but that is with a worn TKC80. I think the difference is the TKC80's side knobs stick out further past the sidewall. The TKC80 may be a 1/4" wider at the most.

    I measured the circumference of the E07 with the bike on the center stand and got a circumference of 79-1/4". Then I laid out some black tape on my carport, marked the tire with a yellow marker and rolled over the tape sitting on the bike to get the actual rolling circumference. With 28 psi in the tire, I got a circumference of 77-3/8". I had done that with one of the new TCK80's and got 77-5/8" but I did not record what the air pressure was.

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  15. Rob180

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    Thanks for the comprehensive report. The only thing left is the weight. I've heard the TKC is lighter than most...
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    That was in my dissertation on the previous page but here is the weight info:

    Before mounting it, I weighed it on my antique scales (accuracy unknown) and found it weighed a little over 17 pounds. The TKC 80 I removed was a little over 13 pounds. The TKC80 advertised weight is 13.47 pounds. Turns out it is a lightweight. The stock Trail Attach 2 is 16.70, the Heidenau K60 is 17.58 and the Motoz Tractionator GPS is a whopping 19.20 pounds.
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    Seeing the two tires in this picture really shows how big the blocks are on the e-07. Look at them. The tire could actually qualify to be in the "Big Block" category of tires! The groves in between the blocks look equal to the TKC80. I suspect that will help with evacuating mud and sand. No center strip will help with offroad grip. It also looks like it has big knobs on the sidewall that will help in the dirt. If this 170 is as durable as the other e-07 sizes, the TKC80 maybe a thing of the past as far as big adventure tires. Why would you spend a lot of money on a TKC80 when you can spend the same on this e-07 and get twice (maybe more) the tire life?

    Hopefully, your ongoing report comes back positive. Keep the info coming.
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  18. Rob180

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    I remember reading that now. Thanks so much for the info.
  19. DirtyDogBreath

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    On the topic of the Mitas E-07 line of tires... how has your traction been in the RAIN?

    It gets a little wet in the Pacific Northwest from time to time, I'm hoping traction is sufficient on cold wet pavement. I ride an 1190S, and use Rain Mode whenever the road is wet. I've spent the past year on a set of Shinko 705's (got 5k miles out of those) and then swapped the rear to a TKC 70, now with 7000 miles on it. (Yes, the front 705 now has 12k miles and still looks good) I never broke traction with the 705 rear, though the center strip of the TKC70 does tend to make the tire slip when offroad, and I think the rear hydroplaned on the freeway once. (SPOOKY!)

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  20. The_Eccentric

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    Was it the 705 or the TK70 that hydroplaned?