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Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by 2whlin, Oct 8, 2017.
And after a visit to the restroom?
Some of us should be focused on personal training and dropping weight in that sense. I know I should be.
That and a gimbal for my latte, and a tube for Cigars and bourbon. Hard parts, come on.
I don't know why some people are complaining about the weight , I suspect it will be lightest in class with probably more power , I think the people complaining must have had some unrealistic
expectations , as far as I understood KTM were aiming to produce a more dirt capable mid class bike squarely aimed at BMW and Triumph , for gods sake if you want a light dualsport get a
KTM EXCF 500 and a larger tank or perhaps a Husky 701 , plenty of bikes for all , just another choice.
I get the impression some folks want, and some folks think they want a modern Super Enduro. I doubt KTM will ever build another.
The weight of a twin with good range, power, reliability, moderate comfort, and some luggage capacity is not likely to impress the D/S or dirtbike crowd. It will however likely be welcome by those who want to push harder when off pavement where a 10% (50lb) weight reduction over the current 800cc offerings will be quite noticable.
If the KTM slips in under 450lbs ready to ride it will get my attention. If they manage 425 lbs ready to ride I'll likely stand in line for one.
I already have a dirtbike(250), a big D/S(690), and a 500+ lb. full size ADV(800 XC) - I don't need it to be something I already have. I want it to be something I don't have which is a mix between a big D/S and the current crop of adv bikes with a distinct bias towards dirt, without just being a big dirtbike which would be as useful as the SE of old, a very small niche bike with more appeal due to it's pure nuttyness than its practical uses.
Agreed. If that 10% number is even close they will have a winner since KTM focuses on the dirt aspect. I seriously thought about a 800 GS/XC before I bought my Super Enduro. The SE was lighter and had more horsepower. The BMW and the Triumph were not something that I would have wanted to ride offroad consistently without concern for breaking things. I had a GSA that had things breaking on it all the time from riding it offroad and that was without ever crashing it. The SE handles all that and more without a whimper. If the 790 does all that plus, has more conveniences like wind protection, lower seat height, heated grips, tft dash, cruise and better fuel mileage I would be inline for one. I love the motor of the 1290R and its features, but those bikes are just getting huge and I am tired of wrestling those big bikes through the rough stuff. So, the lightest 800 in class and most powerful, with offroad use designed. Take my money.
Yup, you can’t please everyone. If it follows tradition it most likely will be lightest in class, with more power in class, and has already proven to have an engine capable of beating every other manufacturer on the planet (including many 1 liter engines) right out the gate first try up a 14k’ mountain. But still, folks will piss all over it before they even see it, sit on it, or ride it. Is what it is.
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Agree, the boo birds are already out and we don’t really know the final specs yet.
Already? People have been bitching about it since before it was announced.
Perfect because thatll keep KTM making a profit and in business. Ewan & Charlies hapless adventures sold and still sell bikes and I'm good with that.
My 990 has been completely transformed by air filter mods, remapping, suspension etc. At this point im far from an OEM 990. As I've said here before, the concern for the 790 should be whether it has good bones to create whatever you desire.
I do hope this thing drops the values of the good 990a’s too. Because if I don’t grab a 790, I’ll likely be looking for another well set up 990. I doubt the 690 is going to scratch my itch, but possible a well set up one of those too.
remember I said that on a thread once.....that its sometimes easier to lose 2kg of body than bike mass. got flamed for being insensitive to weight challenged inmates
There comes a point when a few extra kg's don't make any difference....skill upgrades will though. That fat 790 don't seem to bother CB much. He can ride a bike to its limits, I just ride to mine
Serious question, what advantages do you see of the 990A over the 790A?
The 990 is the most well-sorted KTM out there.
Every single issue that ever was or ever could be has been solved by this community and the aftermarket.
its also been obsolete for 5 years already.
Spot the KTM marketing guy
Hardly I passed on the 990s series because they were too damn big when they were current, the 950s were borderline in an insane sort of way, the 990 added a bit of power and a lot of weight....so I had a 640 ADV as the last KTM in the stable before I bought my Super Duke.
....and all of its bulshit, seemed I had the top end off of that bike quarterly for one thing or another.
How did you get the weight down and how did you improve its range? Wernt they the two biggest pitfalls of the 9xx?
The size (not the weight) of the hands, feet, seat triangle works for me
The look. Not many bikes are prettier than a 990s in blue with long suspenders.
And the SOUND
But i own a 690 cause it does a hundred mile an hour loaded and i can pick it up over and over and over again.
When the 790 is released it’ll likely be half the price. That, and I’ve already owned one, so I’m familiar with its quirks, and I can be certain to find one well appointed.
So you are counting on finding a well appointed 990 for less than $7000?
....and that is m SWAG that the 790 ADV runs $13000