Latest mapping for 990ADV

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by azkiwi, Apr 8, 2009.

  1. roundtripping

    roundtripping Adventourist

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    Hesitation?? I dunno about your bike, but mine I have to sneak up on because it's so jumpy and wants to GO :deal I think most people are experiencing the opposite of what you're saying, with too sensitive of a throttle that will knock you on your ass by looking at it too hard. I do agree with you though, that the mapping is clearly sub-optimal and surgy. Maybe you were talking about whacking the throttle at higher RPMs, but I haven't experienced any issues in that department either, on the contrary :dunno
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  2. Ballon

    Ballon Adventurer

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    Good Morning to most of you.

    I have an 08 990 with Akra's and the Akra map.

    I get +/- 35mpg (UK gallons = 4.546l) commuting in London and on a recent 900 mile trip in France I got 45mpg. This was averaging 85mph on the motorways and some fairly spirited back road stuf, but no off road.

    I reckon at UK motorway speeds you would get nearly 50mpg.

    It would be interesting to compare the mpg from the standard map.
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  3. Bok Befok

    Bok Befok Been here awhile

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    I think most of us is talking bout the US gallon thats 3.78liter. Quite a differnence between the 2 gallon measures.:deal
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  4. alphajory

    alphajory Been here awhile

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    here is a chart of my mileage over the past 3000km

    there is quite the difference in the mileage that i get depending on what type of riding that i do and how hard i turn the right hand.:D

    this is with last years map and wings exhaust with the middle db insert.

    the low 30's are off road and 40's are highway the rest are mixed but the average is 37.6 overall if my calculations are correct.


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  5. CHRIS_D

    CHRIS_D Been here awhile

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    Mine does both, it's real jumpy from off/on throttle. However it will also hesitate when I maintain a steady throttle for a period of time and then attempt to roll on the throttle
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  6. rean1mator

    rean1mator Been here awhile

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    all this talk about mpg and the various maps. i'd gladly give up a few mpg's if they could just put out a map that doesn't cause so much snatchiness at on/off throttle. it's just ridiculous that they release a $15K bike with a FI system as horrible as this thing is.

    wtf is ktm thinking? it's borderline unacceptable imo. I loooove my ktm but haaaate the FI on this thing and i don't think i should have to spend 100's of $$$ to try to fix it via throttle cams and sprocket changes and letting it idle for 10 minutes straight.

    do people think it's the maps that are the problem or is it the hardware(ecu)? i really can't come to grips with the fact that a decent map cannot be made for this bike going on it's 3rd iteration.



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  7. solocam

    solocam Adventurer

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    Just got off the phone with dynojet and their taking back orders on the PCV for the 990. No ETA on availability though. Was told had to put bung in exaust for wideband sensor.

    Later
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  8. roundtripping

    roundtripping Adventourist

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    For which 990? All years?
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  9. chasbo

    chasbo Long timer

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    When I first got my new 990 (08 non s), I had alot of problems with the jerkiness of the throttle, especially when compared to my old BMW K75 which is the definition of smooth. It was especially bad on rutted roads and dirt. Of course I got on here, did a quick search and read up on 16T sprockets and G2 throttle tamers, Power Commanders, etc... Initially I planned on going that route myself, but decided to let the bike break in first. Now with over 2k on the clocks in the last six weeks, the bike has gotten noticably smoother. I also am more used to the throttle as well. When on dirt and poorly maintained macadam, I experience almost no jerkiness. In fact, I now like the way it rides for the most part. I still think I am going to do the 16T upgrade as it is so inexpensive to try, but I wont be getting the throttle tamer or PC V. My mileage has stabilized at about 38-42 mpg for most situations with the stock map and cans. I plan on doing the Canisterectomy and will most likely pull off the ABS. I can't say how much I love this bike!
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  10. MT950

    MT950 "OLD" Adventurer

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    Had an 05 950 , got 40 mpg avg. ,had other issues. Up-graded to a 990 Adv. great bike. But,mapping, and my ignorance of how to fix the fuel injection ,and ABS issues, SOLD it! But the Orange run's deep, back to an 06 Adv. S. ( exh. re-jetted, de-canistered, other mods.) On my last 1000 mile 2 day trip, limited forest roads, most paved av. 41 mpg . Most on-road 70-80mph.( hard to keep below 70). I think the EFI should do better? By 2012 I hope they have it worked out, or I'll have to do a total rebuild on the 06 instead of a new big KTM Adv. :clap After owening, the 950-990 adv. HOW DO YOU UPGRADE? NOT! (Do Ferrari oweners ? the fuel mileage, just wondering?) Just as a note , I had my 07 990 adv. remaped in 04/08, and saw no diff. in fuel mpg. or performance. I believe riding style has a lot to do with the mpg. you get.
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  11. danceswithdeer

    danceswithdeer Space Wrangler

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    There was no charge since the bike was in for a faulty (warranty) fuel pump replacement; while it was there for repairs anyway, the tech asked if I'd like an updated map...sounded like a good idea.

    Your dealer sounds like he needs to go to customer service school. It is also to my understanding that newer mapping (if one exists) is installed during standard services...like the 600-1000 mile, etc.
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  12. rean1mator

    rean1mator Been here awhile

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    yeah, i've thought letting the bike breakin for a while to see if the bike gets any better. mine only has 1k miles on it. we'll see.

    regarding 16t conversion: how does this help with the jerkiness? doesn't the stock come with 17t? and wouldn't dropping the sprocket size one tooth in the front infact make the bike more jerky?

    i've dropped sprocket size in teh front with other bikes and it usually helps with better acceleration, not less. confused.

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  13. zoomdude57

    zoomdude57 Been here awhile

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    Have an 05 GS and usually getting 40-43MPG, so not what others have reported. Usually have the Touratech panniers on, which are far from aerodynamic. My SE with Head2wind jetting was getting around 40mpg
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  14. Axe_Edge

    Axe_Edge In the wind 7d/wk

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    Having the 16T is kind of cheating. Even with the G2, the snatchy end of the throttle is still there. In essence, a 16T CS sprocket allows the motor to pull a shorter length of the chain during a given amount of time. This makes the bike's acceleration rate slow slightly, thus feeling smoother and less snatchy. A 17T cs sprocket allows the motor to pull a greater length of chain during the same amount of time, effectively allowing the bike to accelerate at a greater rate and to feel more snatchy.

    The difference between this bike and other bikes (which become slower) is the motor. It is powerful enough that the difference in the cs sprocket sizes (16T and 17T) doesn't effect it much. Just for argument's sake, if you compared a 10T cs and a 20T, you'd have a sense that the motor was bogging (slowing) with the 20T. The motor would be taking a bigger bite than it could chew, at least from an acceleration standpoint.

    The difference between the 16T and 17T is kind of small, but very welcome.

    FWIW, the ADV would be getting 80 MPG with a 20T (just a campfire side exaggeration :1drink )
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  15. matus

    matus Adventurer

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    what is jerkiness?
    That when I open and close the throtte, the bike instantly accelerates and decelerates?

    Well then thanks god it is like this, it has safed my ass many times.

    Today we have lot's of cars and bikes where you open throttle and wait for bike's reaction - sometimes couple of hundreds of seconds and sometimes almost a second. But yes, it is smooth...

    Thanks to KTM that they are able to make sporty, revvy and resposive engine.
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  16. Axe_Edge

    Axe_Edge In the wind 7d/wk

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    The jerkiness is a concern when it comes to wanting/needing better throttle control at certain RPMs. Sometimes the optimal RPM needed (especially in rock gardens, shale, tecknical trails or non-trails, etc...) may be in the range that is too snappy, thus causing you to lurch or bog. Could cause harm to the rider, bike, or both. Could cause more work than needed, too.
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  17. graveltooth

    graveltooth gt

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    I think we all agree that KTM turns out a great, powerful and responsive engine with the LC8 (and the LC4 which I currently ride), but I think that response down-plays the real issue here. I've been looking to jump up from the 640adv to a 990 but honestly have been really turned off by what my research here has turned up. Now don't get me wrong, I rode a gs1150adv prior to the 640a and the fit, finish and component quality of the ktm will keep me in the orange forever - but I sympathize with these guys here who go out and drop 11 - 15k on new machines that aren't right because of under-supported EFI problems. When you buy a brand new motorcycle you have the right to expect it to perform to a basic set of standards (which includes a reasonable EFI system to modulate all of that wonderful twin power) when you buy a used bike you don't have the same level of rights when it comes to expectations. Just my .02 - hoping KTM can put a map together to sort this out. Finally, any of the new '09 990 riders can you weigh in on what your seeing from throttle response and if there is a general thought that maybe KTM has addressed / corrected this with the '09 model.
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  18. Hipster

    Hipster Long timer

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    The G2 400 throttle cam and 16t sprocket will give you smooth throttle response but, the instant throttle response is addicting thats why I removed the 400 throttle cam and installed a modified 200 cam.


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  19. Craig Thomas

    Craig Thomas Adventurer

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    I asked my local KTM shop about the EFI issues, and he said that when I buy the bike, should it have problems throttling, that he would custom remap it at no charge. He also said that aftermarket exhaust and remapping will drop fuel economy by 10-15%.
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  20. alphajory

    alphajory Been here awhile

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    I think the issues with the throttle jerkiness are far overplayed and people are spending way to much time thinking about it. Change the front sprocket and if you still need help change the cam i had the dealer thrown in the sprocket as part of the deal and haven't bothered to change the cam. I let the bike warm up to 2 bars before i ride and do the 15 minute reset if i significantly change altitude. I just change the exhaust to the a set of wings 4k ago and never remapped and have no problems. I get any where for 32 to 45 mpg depending on the ride.

    I ride almost daily 50-50 between hyway and offrode, love the bike hated the pos stock front tyre which was more of an issue that the throttle and have learnt to do most of the maintence by myself with the help of people on this forum:clap.


    Would i buy a differnt bike for the type of riding i do....not a chance

    For people that have shyed away from the bike because of the efi your loss and i wish you the best with what ever is working for you.
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