1. Cataract2

    Cataract2 Where to?

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    I'm actually an oddball here. I moved from CO to NH due to work. CO has some of the best off road trails next to UT that I have done. I still have family there so "visits" to see them will certainly happen. (Free room and board, right?) With that said, my reason for leaving was there were no jobs there that fit me. Also, CO is growing and growing very fast. I was stationed there while in the military from 2007 - 2010. I got back there in 2015 and it had exploded. Places were more packed as well as the roads.

    I can't really compare it to here, but will have to defer to what others have said. I only got here at the beginning of December. Though, NH certainly seems beautiful and VT roads look like fun.
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  2. Bigred460

    Bigred460 Been here awhile

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    MA is extremely anti 2nd Amendment.
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  3. ducatirdr

    ducatirdr Re-entry Noob

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    You had to bring that up... I know of a few areas that are legal but most of my local stuff is not exactly legal. I love CO but I like the diversity of New England. I HATE how Gestapo like militant the state has control on everything. I just run outlaw. Much like the speed limit in MA. (80 mph is not going to get you pulled over in a 65 because there are so many people doing 90. At least on the Pike)
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  4. ducatirdr

    ducatirdr Re-entry Noob

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    True BUT there are a lot of Rod and Gun clubs that are very successful in this area. Just lots of paperwork to carry and stuff like that.
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  5. Bigred460

    Bigred460 Been here awhile

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  6. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    Traveling all over NE, I've never been denied service because I was on a dirty bike, with dirtier clothes. I've been made to feel unwelcome at times, but thats more the nature of the average New Englander. They're an odd sort for sure, with a very hard exterior. Crack it and your fine.
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  7. AdamChandler

    AdamChandler n00b

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    I live in NH (about 3 hours north of Boston). Every month I think about giving it all up, hopping on the bike and moving to Colorado. You're 1-8 hours from the best riding in the world depending on how far you want to ride to get there. There's great trails close and with a days ride, still more good riding.

    For road riding, New england is really great. You can get to Quebec city in 8 hours from boston I think, Prince Edward island, NH, VT, adriondacks in NY and northern Maine has some decent camping and you won't see another human for days. and it's easy to get to trails where I live (a 5 minute ride and I'm on a trail up to Canada) but Colorado still wins.
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  8. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Pist-n-broke

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    We need to look at some of the other benefits of Mass for an Aussie.

    For one thing, we are completely unable to drive-just miles of complete dumbfuckery. Say you moved here and accidentally reverted to driving on the left side of the road. It's possible no one would notice.

    You'd be going on with your bogans and sheilas and whatever other lingo that pops out of your didgeridoo (I'm sure I used that right) and the locals won't care unless you're wearing a Yankees hat.

    Plus if you move here, I'll give you a bumpah stickah for your cah.


    Honestly if I had a list of two very different places in a different country I'd try and wander through them both before picking-what we like and what you like just ain't the same. I left one of the nicest parts of California for the frozen Tundra here, and everyone thought I was nuts, but I like it better here. YMMV.

    Good luck.
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  9. Schmokel

    Schmokel I got peed on today.

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    Like trade one hell for another. :D :lol2
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  10. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Pist-n-broke

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    This state isn't on fire.

    With a drought.

    Fuck that.
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  11. nicholastanguma

    nicholastanguma nicholastanguma

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    I'm a New Yorker, but my wife and I have a lot of business interests in the city of Denver and the State of Colorado as a whole, so we spend a tremendous amount of time there. If you're really into the ADVrider life I assure you Downtown Denver is far, far, far, far, far superior to the Boston. Obviously nothing but London or Hong Kong or Paris or Buenos Aires can compare to NYC, but for a MidWest city Denver is very cosmopolitan--in my opinion only Chicago has it beat, and that's only because Chicago plays in the NYC league. The craft food scene in DCO is on point due to the organic artisanal local farm food scene ruling in place of big box stores (that's right, I'm not kidding, Downtown Denver has almost no big box blight, people in D-town absolutely despise big box culture); and the Downtown core, especially LoDo and RiNo, are hip and young and dynamic, very fun.

    Plus, LoDo is one of the largest centralized Victorian and turn-of-the-century neighborhoods in the entire country, so is really beautiful to walk around in and discover new restaurants, art galleries, and artisanal craft shops. If you like the gorgeous old architecture of Manhattan hoods like Chelsea and SoHo, or the same sort of thing in Boston, then you'll fall hard in love with LoDo. If you're into the arts scene then here are a couple of interesting tidbits for you: 1) Only NYC itself purchases more performing arts tickets than Denver every year, and 2) the Sante Fe neighborhood, which is right next to Downtown, boasts 40 art galleries within its boarders--and that's just the one neighborhood. LoDo and RiNo have nearly as many. In the warmer months First Fridays are a HUGE Downtown Denver event. We're talking SoHo art crowds, man. Denverites really, really, really like the arts.

    Plus, Downtown Denver is extremely walkable, with an excellent train and light rail system, prolific bicycle paths that criss-cross the entire city, and a very sizeable car-sharing culture. If you live Downtown it's entirely possible to ditch your car altogether and just keep the motorcycle--lots of people do. Moto culture is strong in the 303 and 720 zipcodes, and only gets stronger the more rural you go. Coloradoans absolutely adore motorbikes.

    In addition, since you mentioned it, in DCO the only culture as popular and well-received as artisanal craft food/beer culture, moto culture, and outdoor sports culture...is Jeep culture. So whether your ADV preference is two wheels or four CO will welcome you--outdoor motor culture is big-big-big.

    Notes:

    1) Boston's traffic is cataclysmic by DCO standards. In Denver you'll get bad traffic only at morning and afternoon rush hours, and in Downtown you'll get it bad during sports games, too. But outside those times traffic in DCO is a cakewalk.

    2) Someone's comment above about DCO having no sports culture is as silly as the comments about DCO having horrendous traffic. Big League sports culture in Denver is massively popular. The Avalanche (pro hockey), The Nuggets (pro basketball), the Rockies (pro baseball), the Broncos (pro football), all draw enormous crowds throughout the year.

    3) Only California has Colorado beat in the varieties of geography on offer, and that's only because Cali has oceanfront all down one side of it. In CO you'll find endless rolling grass plains to the east, in the west and north you'll find the mighty Rocky Mountains, and in the south you'll find desert. Colorado boasts everything from 42 of North America's highest mountain peaks to North America's highest sand dunes. Pine forests, birch forests, aspen forests, take your pick for hiking.

    4) Tourism is big in Colorado, so during the warm months the highways going from Denver into the mountains can be hopelessly clogged for hours on end, and the bloody tourists will likely be clogging up the hiking/bicycle/motorcycle/4x4 trails, too. To get around this headache simply do your adventuring during the week, when most folks have to be at work. Seriously, the difference is night and day.

    5) Colorado gets crazy cold in the winter. In the mountains you can see temps as low as FIFTY BELOW ZERO Fahrenheit; Denver itself is built on a plain well below mountain elevation, so temps aren't as bad, but do still drop to single digits with some regularity.

    6) Colorado gets crazy snow in the winter. In the mountains you can see TWENTY FEET fall at once, and blizzards howl in out of nowhere every winter. In Denver it's possible to get anywhere from three to six feet overnight, although this doesn't happen every winter by any means.

    7) Denver is called the Mile High City because the plain on which it's built is one mile above sea level; this means a thin ozone layer between you and the sun, so sunburns can happen in minutes if one is fair-skinned. Skin cancer is a very real problem in Colorado as a whole because of this, so daily sunscreen is a must.

    8) Because of its elevation the state of Colorado is depressingly brown and dead in the cold months. Seriously, like brown and ugly as raw dirt, like zombie apocalypse depressing. On the upside, the state is gobsmackingly gorgeous in the warm months--as in, gorgeous like New Zealand, to give you a closer-to-Oz reference.

    9) In Colorado threats of attack by bears, cougars, moose, rattlesnakes, brown recluses and black widows are very real if you wander into their territory when hiking or camping. The Rocky Mountains even has a species of rattlesnake called the alpine rattler, and paradoxical to all other reptile species that I know of, this critter lives only above the timberline--meaning that just because you're setting up a camp in a spot really, really high in the mountains doesn't mean it's okay to sleep on the ground outside of a tent. Bottom line, thoroughly check the terrain before you set up camp. Although, as you come from Oz, where all the angriest and most venomous critters in the world reside, I assume this is just standard practice for you. But seriously, moose are super territorial creatures, and rattlesnakes are always looking for someplace warm to curl up for the night.
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  12. Lumpyboy

    Lumpyboy Adventurer

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    Good lord this comparison is not even close. CO cannot be worse than MA. MA is high in taxes, nanny state, anti-everything, including off-road riding. Basically, if it's fun, MA will find a way to regulate it until it's not worth the bother. Very limited off road riding opportunities which the state has been closing down little by little, the eastern part of the state is over-populated and drivers are excessively aggressive to the extent they are not on their phones and even paying attention. Road riding up in VT/NH/ME is nice, but presumably not any better than CO. Snowmachines and ATVs are popular in NH and ME, but again, I assume nothing spectacular compared to CO. I've been in MA my whole life and will escape as soon as retirement is near.
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  13. loph917

    loph917 Beard Bros Racing

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    this pretty much sums up the northeast from nj northward. why do we live here?
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  14. ozmoses

    ozmoses .

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    CO


    /thread
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  15. Tallbastid

    Tallbastid Brapp

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    If you're only comparing MA and CO, no question CO is better.
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  16. ozmoses

    ozmoses .

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    If you're comparing MA and CO, you are clearly either high or not high enough!
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  17. hightest

    hightest Safety Meeting

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    That could be the deciding factor. :bmwrider
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  18. EastBoundAndDown

    EastBoundAndDown Ron - 300XC-W DR650 FZ1

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    Good question. I got the fudge out of there and almost never regret it.
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  19. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Pist-n-broke

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    The winter keeps the riffraff away.
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  20. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    Say what?
    Alot of fake news in there.
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