Moto Guzzi Stelvio (merged) threadfest...

Discussion in 'Moto Bellissima: All Other Dualsports' started by young skywalker, Jan 8, 2006.

  1. Jonnybeau

    Jonnybeau 2014 Stelvio NTX

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    Whilst I understand the need for some tree hugging.. what I cannot stand is the outdated unrealistic way vehicles are emission tested and used for MPG / co2 emissions for tax purpose. There is no way that the speed/acceleration profile that they follow on the emission test is followed in the real world - have you ever been behind someone who is trying to accelerate using minimum fuel? SLOW is not the word I would use - Bloody Slow is a more accurate description.
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  2. WitchCityBallabio

    WitchCityBallabio Guzzi weirdo

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    The Tenni's are the sexiest. :D

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  3. motomoda

    motomoda Long timer

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    Doug, are you going to be around probably mid/late July to early August? Jude and I will be ducking down into Trumpland to visit friends with our furthest south bit being to see Bill and Kathi in VA? We'd love to catch up. No bikes this time but beer and food would be great!

    Still can't understand the American love of loopframes? I think they're horrid! :D
  4. WitchCityBallabio

    WitchCityBallabio Guzzi weirdo

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    Absolutely! Hope you and Jude can hang around for a few days. We're very close to the Indian Museum now, and it's pretty remarkable if you're into it. We were hoping you could get up this way. We're excited to see you guys again!

    And enough of your Loop frame heresy. :D

    A 1916 Henderson or 1929 Guzzi Sport 14 are probably horrid too, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to have one. :)
  5. xdsbiker

    xdsbiker Been here awhile

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    Who did the paint job on the Ambassador? Saw the pic link, and it looks about perfect. The pin striping looks to be the challenge.
  6. WitchCityBallabio

    WitchCityBallabio Guzzi weirdo

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    Cycle Garden did all the sheet metal. I'm no painter. The sheetmetal on this thing was in tough shape when I got it. The bike had been painted with white house paint. What wasn't painted was rusty. They did an amazing job on it. Check out their YouTube channel if you want to see some nice tank restorations. No decals, all silk screened and hand pin striped too for a nice touch. It pretty much needed everthing done. The bores were junk, etc, etc.

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  7. xdsbiker

    xdsbiker Been here awhile

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    Thanks - will check them out. My Eldorado isn't in to bad of shape. Was running OK back in 1993, so the engine should be in good shape...except for the carbs, which need cleaning. The sheet metal isn't to bad, has been stored indoor since I've had it. Never thought about silkscreen for the pin striping, figured that had painting was the only way. Will post a pic or two when it's done, if i remember.
  8. Canuck1969

    Canuck1969 Been here awhile

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    Can’t remove them from the Swingarm but the one that blocks the drain plug can be removed because there are two attached together. Twist 90 degrees and push up. It sits on a grove on the adjacent one and unlocks when turned 90°.
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  9. WitchCityBallabio

    WitchCityBallabio Guzzi weirdo

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    Sorry about the confusion. The logo's, eagles etc are silk screened. The pinstriping was done by hand by a pin striping artist. There are videos of him doing it on Cycle Garden's site. It's something to watch.

    If your Eldo hasn't been run in a while, it's worth checking the bores. The chrome goes to shit quickly when it starts, and you don't want that crap cycling through the oil pump etc. I'm sure you already know all this. Have the bores been replaced perhaps with Gilardoni's?
  10. Dracula

    Dracula Dust in the wind

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  11. Dracula

    Dracula Dust in the wind

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  12. Canuck1969

    Canuck1969 Been here awhile

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    Correct. If you rotate them 90° where they connect they slide easier as that is what locks them in.
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  13. Dracula

    Dracula Dust in the wind

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    okay.. they all seem to work same way. So it's just the pin that's in the Swingarm that can't be removed, apparently.
  14. Doc.

    Doc. Been here awhile

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    You have to remember, manufacturers have to cover their products (themselves also, litigation-wise) for every environment/climate their vehicles are likely to get used in.
    They must also allow for a bit of neglect, or stretching of the service intervals I would imagine.
    As with most traffic laws, I take service manuals and intervals as 'guides' rather than absolutely rigid requirements.
    You have to factor in a bit of common sense.

    As has been said, 4V/8V is just a designation thing, some people quote Valves per Cylinder, some Valves per Engine.
    I think it depends what the manufacturer at the time wants to brag about more than anything.
    Think of the first FZ750, Yamaha shouted about it being a Five-Valve Engine, rather than labelling it as a 20-Valver.

    Nothing to do with Tank size, or year, it's purely down to Accessory/Trim level.


    I saw an excellent description in a write up once, don't recall if it was a Bike or car test, but the guy said that it didn't accelerate as such, more like it gradually shrugged off sluggishness!
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  15. Jonnybeau

    Jonnybeau 2014 Stelvio NTX

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    Just did a bit of calculation using current "New European Driving Cycle" (NEDC) (1990-but still in use) - for testing co2 emmissions
    "The NEDC has an average speed of 33 km/h and a maximum acceleration of 1.2 m/s"

    using the accelleration calculator - https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/car-acceleration-d_1309.html

    33kph = approx 20.5 mph
    time = 7.7
    get accelleration figure of 1.19 m/s or 3.91 f/s
    give it go one day... Bloody slow :dirtdog

    edit:- that is about 73 sec for a 0-60 time

    Anyway At least they are starting to sort of the inconsistancy of testing to road use (Real-driving emissions (RDE) test)

    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...-world-car-mpg-and-emissions-tests-introduced

    .. however will not be fully applied until 2021 though it started to come into effect in 2017 (euro4)
  16. Jonnybeau

    Jonnybeau 2014 Stelvio NTX

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    I was wrong on my pervious post - "edit:- that is about 73 sec for a 0-60 time"

    Just been out to look at some motorbike kit with the misses.. and it seems extreamly slow.. that got me to thinking.. is not acceleration @ 1.2 m/s sq.. linear?? so should it not be 7.7sec x 3 to get to 60mph? (about 23 sec to 60) so checked - I entered the data into the wong box.. sorry for the bad info..

    Acceleration @ 1.2 m/s sq It is about 23 sec 0-60mph ..... sorry
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  17. Dracula

    Dracula Dust in the wind

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    Thanks for sharing the informative site, and offering some insight into the madness of EU emissions that was to be the reason factory stopped making our beloved Stelvios and it's sisters..
    On Stelvio I usually just know that I am doing it right, when the red triangle starts to blink past rev limiter, then I shift..:pynd My '02 WRX is getting long in the tooth compared with new ones or some of the big 5 L V 8's around here, but still sprints quite nicely for what I need. I do wonder where are all these statisticians getting their data from, I mean do they observe real world drivers and riders habits, etc.
  18. Jonnybeau

    Jonnybeau 2014 Stelvio NTX

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    "when the red triangle starts to blink past rev limiter, then I shift..:pynd"

    :-) .. for me it's about 7800 then.... 'click'.... next gear
  19. bross

    bross Where we riding to?

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    They just follow Prius drivers. :lol3
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  20. Dracula

    Dracula Dust in the wind

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    I think I still have mine too low at around 7k but always rely that the factory hard coded one will kick in if really needed. So far I don't recall hitting it just yet as am usually watching watching for live stock or buzzards quickly coming at me approaching those warp speeds. It's real easy to hit a ton on this bike..