Moto Guzzi V85

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  1. JustKip

    JustKip Long timer

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    I'm not claiming any special knowledge, but maybe they'll take a page from Ducati's playbook, and do what they did with the Desert Sled vs the other versions of the Scrambler, which also have a block mounted pivot?
  2. auto

    auto Been here awhile

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    [QUOTEwhich also have a block mounted pivot][/QUOTE]
    That's exactly what I see.Looking at the two lower bolts on the foot peg plate,they look to serve no use except a mount for a swinging arm pivot. Please tell me what else they could be there for.
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  3. Rattleton

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    For anyone sceptical about the claimed HP, the old 850 Le Mans made approximately 80.
    I'm hopeful (So that in 3 years when I'm off restrictions I can get one)
  4. motomoda

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    No it didn't. On a very, very good day an 850 mI'd-valve big block would make in the region of 52-53 at the rear wheel. Good days didn't happen very often.
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    invicta1 Been here awhile

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    A pessimist is what an idealist calls a realist.

    But, I like the V85 in form and principle. I'm not sure I could live with a HP drop from the Stelvio, love it, however sure would be nice to drop weight. I need a test ride. After the farkle money Ive been dropping on my new to me 06 DR650 this winter however, would be hard to purchase something new. Of course, in a year . . .

    I also note I've only dropped the Stelvio twice (zero damage). But with only about 300 miles on the DR, I've dropped it many many times. Maybe I should stop power sliding on ice.



  6. Rattleton

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    My Mistake. I've never had the pleasure of riding one, but that's the quoted figure on many sites I've found.
    As I've said, It'll be 3 years before I can ride anything bigger than a 660. The V85 caught my eye as a contender for my first big bike
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  7. motomoda

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    There is an awful lot of bullshit and bragging on lots of websites and forums on how much power you can make out of old Guzzis. It's almost always the province of fantasists and people who's idea of engineering knowledge is reading spec sheets in magazines, (And moving their lips while they do so! :D). There are a couple of particularly amusing threads on Wildguzzi at the moment. One where some muppet claimed there was a utube vid of a V11 making 123RWHP. After a lot of mouthflap from the hopeless the bloke who held the salt world record on a normally aspirated Air cooled twin, a roundfin Guzzi of just under 1,000cc, chimed in and pointed out that he'd never been able to get higher than high eighties on his dyno and 'Expressed Skepticism' at the claim! :D

    We're also hearing bullshit claims for HP figures for the 8V. Problem is we've built and mapped a single spark 1400 and it makes 98. something at the rear wheel BUT has 80+ ft lbs of torque from 3,000 to rev limiter.

    Doug knows what makes Guzzis so addictive. It's not outright power.

    As for the V85? I really want to love it but I'm not going to gush or condemn until it's actually delivered and we know what it is. At the moment it's just a spiv's wet dream.
  8. WitchCityBallabio

    WitchCityBallabio Guzzi weirdo

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    So true. It's the intangibles. The sound, the beautiful harmonic vibrations from that V twin, the beautiful delivery of torque. Each model has all of that, delivered slightly differently. My Ambassador, is one of the lowest hp bikes in the garage, but oddly, one of the nicest motors to toodle around with. HP means nothing to anyone other than moto journo's who have their heads so far up their asses anyway that they can't see anything past spec sheets and dyno sheets.

    I would bet the 80hp figure that they're throwing about is at the crank, so optimistically, what? 70 hp rwhp? I'd be fine with that. Especially if the bike is in the 440# range. Power to weight would still be good.

    Honestly, if they threw in the V9 motor in it, I'd probably be fine with it too. The V9 I rode, while not in a package that I'm interested in, was smooth and torquey.
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  10. WitchCityBallabio

    WitchCityBallabio Guzzi weirdo

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    They need to revisit the Hot Dog and Mustard theme. :rofl

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  11. Brit711

    Brit711 Been here awhile

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    3 years ago I went from a GSA and Stelvio to a Honda NC750x.... still liking it :) Back in the 90's I went from a Yamaha FZ1000 to an Africa Twin..... for a few weeks you miss the power but then you start to love the other things the bikes have to offer ;)
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  12. cyclopathic

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    Not sure why people getting fired up if it will have or not 85hp. 75, 70, 65, 60, 55 are fine as long as it is light enough has low seat and easy to pick up.

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  13. Hoak

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    One guy's trip is anecdotal and evidence of nothing but one guy's trip. How rugged the V9 may or may not be as well remains to be seen -- it seems highly unlikely that most that own them are riding them like ADV bikes...

    Again more anicdotal evidence... I bet I could snap one pretty easy and without even malicious intent, I'm not bragging about off-road riding skill here, just that I'm pretty sure I have enough to break what I see based on a few hundred thosand laps around the track, and if I can do it, someone else will -- catastripic failure of this kind isn't pretty in any regard and is engineering that should never be taken lightly.

    Then you need to ride one that isn't, top heavy; throw a leg over a KTM, and the small Guzzis feel like overweight, wallowing pigs and that's without any mud at all...

    Any bike that weighs 100 lbs less then the Stelvio will feel light by comparison; laughably or otherwise. A much more apt comparison is how does it feel compared to other bikes in its class for weight, power and more signifcantly power:weight...

    True and fair, but it looks doubtful that the suspension on the V85 could ever be brought to parity with the bikes it will compete with in the ADV venue... As a standard road bike with an 'Adventourous Paint Job' I'm sure it will be fine...

    I have, yes it does...

    You haven't even ridden it how would you know? Most people that ride a even a 410 lb bike are not going to be riding it in the mud, especially this bike, this is at best a 99:1 ADV bike where the vast majority of it's miles will be on paved roads, and a bigger concern is going to be all the grime the front wheel throws on you, the vibration that the 'stylish' front fender and flaky fork guard design creat at hgh way speeds..

    Thank god they didn't, why do you think Rally and Rally Raid bikes wear low fenders, where form that follows function is manditory?

    Again, I'll continue to balance echo chamber of Pepe La Phew unqualified skunk love, by being honest, harsh and critical -- consider carefully who you reward and who you punish by being less critical and cautious.
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  14. Lupin 3rd

    Lupin 3rd Raygun Gothic

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    To be fair, Rally bikes switch to high fenders when the route involves mud. Evil sticky mud!
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  15. Hoak

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    I know it! :) My point though was more to how and where the bike is going to be ridden most, and that seems most likely to be the road -- where keeping the crap off you, comfort and saftey are far more important than the concern of packing up the front fender with mud.

    I'd love to see the quick release setups on some rally bikes appear on ADV bikes that let you adjust fender height. The louvers in the V85's front fender don't make much sense either; not much cooling air is passing through those but a lot of crap will, and if the engine has cooling issues at low speed, again a low fender would be a lot smarter...
  16. Max Kool

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    you sure know how to kill an enthousiasts thread...

    Is there anything you dó like about the V85 based on the information provided so far? (just asking)
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    I was going "like" your post, but I wanted to be clear - I like the :rofl only !
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  18. WitchCityBallabio

    WitchCityBallabio Guzzi weirdo

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    Point being that this guy rode the thing further than most people ride their "adventure bikes". If you can't look at a trip like that (and the 100's of thousands of miles the small blocks have on them) as evidence that it doesn't self destruct easily then I don't know what to tell you. Your whole argument is based on the failure of the swingarm design used on the mid 80's Dakar bikes swingarm in conditions and speeds that are well beyond what most people would consider putting on their personal bikes routinely. There's no evidence that this swingarm will even be similar to that one other than your conjecture and speculation.

    Well, it's not a "track bike" or a motocross bike, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Excuse me for defending a bike I haven't seen yet, but I heard all the same shit when I bought my Stelvio in 09 from a whole host of coffee shop engineers. Swingarm is too weak, too heavy, too quirky, not high enough, not enough hp, you could never take that thing offroad, etc, etc,. ad nauseum. Guys that would tell me how bulletproof and reliable their "other brand adv bikes" were, while while riding them less than 10,000 miles and their longest trips being 300 miles, but take beautiful pictures of them posed in mud puddles. To be honest, even if this thing had the same swingarm as the old small blocks, it would probably be fine for 99.7% of "adv riders" out there anyway, which I'm sure Guzzi understands. I'm sure they're willing to concede a few sales to the guys that need to do 70mph on rocky single track. And here's another tip for you. Even if Guzzi built the best available 850cc ADV on the market, it would still sell fractionally compared to the other brands. Honda and Yamaha spill more parts on the production floor every day than Guzzi will use on this thing in 5 years, and for the same reason people drink Dunkin Donuts coffee. There's a shop on every corner and it's safe because your buddy drinks it too.

    But you've clearly missed your calling though, and should contact Guzzi immediately so you can join the engineering team to help straighten them out. I'm sure they'd be grateful.

    While you're waiting for their call, you should wait for and buy the T7 when it comes out, wait a couple of years, and then buy the V85 so we can all be entertained by your effusive praise of the simplicity, engineering etc, etc. of the V85 that we will all have known for a couple of years by then. :lol3 Kidding of course. You're too invested in your negativity of the thing to buy now even if it is was as good as you want.

    Honestly, you don't seem to have anything positive to say about the bike, so why haunt this thread? There are actually people on this thread that are excited and enthusiastic for it. I'm one of them. I doubt I'm alone.

    My conscious is clear with regards to who I reward and who I punish. I'm just a lot less pedantic about it than you are.
  19. WitchCityBallabio

    WitchCityBallabio Guzzi weirdo

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    To be clear, I am probably one of the few people that actually like the HD&M. :D
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  20. bobw

    bobw Harden the phuck up

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    "throw a leg over a KTM"

    "I know it! :) My point though was more to how and where the bike is going to be ridden most, and that seems most likely to be the road -- where keeping the crap off you, comfort and saftey are far more important than the concern of packing up the front fender with mud"

    You seem to be taking both sides to keep the pot stirred. If a post says it should be fine based on modern platform use (albeit a small % and anecdotal) you say it's not a KTM and if a post supports a positive use of their design off road you flip to that's not it's intended use.

    I love debate and Winter is boring, but your tangent is unusual from your normal insights where digging down to further explore and have become tedious and more like a Harley or BMW thread where it serves no purpose that is beneficial.

    Maybe you need a hug, to get laid, go for a ride, etc. Hope all is well, the Guzzi forum is one of the few that keeps this place fun and the jabs are just good seasoning rather than taking over the "dish".

    Cheers

    BTW, Pepe was always enjoying a little pussy at the end of the cartoon........