New helmet: RPHA 90, C3 Pro or Neotech II

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  1. hammick

    hammick Long timer

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    I have an RTW with stock screen and a GSW with the Puig touring screen. Currently ride with a Shark Evoline 3 with Sena 10r installed. I like the Evoline but with my foam earplugs the 10r isn't as loud as I would like. Not sure I have the patience for custom wired earbuds.

    Very helpful Revzilla rep told me he though the C3 Pro and Neotech II were overpriced and told me his choice is the RPHA 90. Of course I need to find a way to try on all three but what does everybody think of the RPHA 90. Will I experience a noticeable improvement in noise vs my Evoline 3?

    I hate to give up the convenience of the Evoline but I have to think the 90, C3 Pro and Neotech are at least a couple steps above. Also the Shark seems to have inadequate ventilation when it gets hot.

    I'l like to hear from you guys who ride with the RPHA 90 and may have tried the other helmets also. Thanks.
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  2. hammick

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    Tried on an Neeotech II today. Really nice helmet. The chin guard air cover brushed my chin when closing. Also did it to another guy in the store. Assume that's how they get it so quiet. The large out of the box felt good but the large demo felt huge. I guess they break in a lot. Probably would need a medium.
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  3. Traxx

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    I have the C-3 Pro in medium and it is in the closet as the back up helmet. No where near as quiet as the hype. And its hot and the latching mech feels sloppy to me.
    I also use a Shoei RF 1200 with a transitions face shield. Quiet in clean air.
    And finally the RPHA-11 pro Venom. Flows a ton of air, very light and quiet in clean air.
    I know that the last 2 are not on your list but they are what I have to compair the C-3 Pro to.
    Good luck
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  4. BMW-K

    BMW-K F800GS FTW!

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    The best helmet is the one that fits you best. :)

    The best answer I can give you is that I have never had good luck with the speakers on my Sena’s. Rather, the best has been noise isolating earbuds like the Etymotic MK5 Isolators. Not terribly expensive, you might find them cheaper with a search. https://www.etymotic.com/consumer/earphones/mk5.html

    Couple those with Comply Foam Tips and it’s pretty much as good as it gets. https://www.complyfoam.com/products/t-series/#

    There’s nothing custom about this approach. I’ve used that setup from airplanes to motorcycles and they work great. I get about 10-15 days of rides before having to replace the foams. Alternatively, the standard silicon flange tips on the Ety’s are plenty good on the noise isolation but can be a little irritating depending on your ear canal.

    That’s a much cheaper option than buying a whole new helmet that is likely still going to be lacking a bit in the helmet speaker noise quality anyway.

    PS: My regular helmet is a Shoei Neotec 2. Absolutely wonderful helmet...but it still doesn’t change the fact that the earbuds are better than speakers.
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  5. AndyBoundy

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    Best reviews on the web - and seems to answer your question.
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    I have no doubt that noise isolating earbuds would be the bomb and who knows I may go this route one day if BT doesn't mature. However, why even have BT if you go this route. Just route the cable to your phone on the handlebars.

    Bluetooth to me is a compromise for the convenience. Allows no cords or bulk on my bike. Don't have to spend two days installing my J&M system when I get a new bike.
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    Thanks Andy. Not sure how I missed that one. I have been leaning towards the RPHA 90. Just need to try one on.
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  8. BMW-K

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    Ham, the earbuds are connected to the SENA Bluetooth device on the side of my helmet. The SENA is Bluetooth to the phone. The wires are effectively a part of the helmet, not separate.
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    I get it but doesn't the cable from the Sena have to be long enough to let you put the earbuds in your ears, put on the helmet and then plug in.? Can't imagine putting the earbuds in when the helmet is on. There has to be some exposed wire, right?
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  10. BMW-K

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    Only about 14” of wire on my helmet and that all ends up inside the helmet when I put it on. So, no, no flappy wires in the wind.
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    If a new helmet doesn't get me where I need to be I'll look into the Etymotics. There is an adapter for the Senas that don't have audio out.

    My current helmets are too big anyway. Not sure if they were always big or losing 20lbs shrinks the noggin.

    Thanks for the info.
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    Just ordered a C3 Pro and RPHA 90 from Revzilla. Their return policy makes it a no brainer not to wear them around the house for an extended period of time.
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  13. AllSeasonRider

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    I can't speak to the RPHA 90, but I have an RPHA Max (the 90's predecessor) and have been really happy with it. It's quiet, comfortable, quality seemed to 95% that of the Shoei at 55% of the price.

    I'd be willing to bet that if the RPHA fits you well, the C3 won't, and vise versa. The C3 is more round in shape.
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  14. hammick

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    Well see. i've heard the C3 Pro the Neotech II and the RPHA 90 are all intermediate oval.
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  15. AllSeasonRider

    AllSeasonRider Wandering, maybe a little lost...

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    I know the C3 gave me a wicked pressure point on my forehead, and have heard the same from a few others.
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  16. PowersUSA

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    I ordered both the RPHA 90 and the Neotec II in size large. The RPHA 90 arrived first and right out of the box I loved the appearance of the matte white. I REALLY wanted to love this lid. The fit of the main shell was nice as it really encompassed and hugged the occipital region of the skull. The liner felt nice to the touch. I liked the action of the chin bar release button and the visor lock. The vents opened and closed with ease. Unfortunately the chin strap (double d-ring) cut into my throat and chin bar was simply too close to my face. I could literally kiss the inside of the chin bar by making "fish" lips. I felt very claustrophobic. Other downers were the locking mech was not all metal and lifting the chin bar creaked loudly if the visor was down (lift the visor first, then lift the chin bar then there was no creaking).

    The Neotec II is a larger helmet with much more room in the chin bar ( yes that means it is heavier, a word on that in a moment). The chin strap "just" clears my throat(unlike the RPHA 90). It is closer to my throat than my original Neotec, mostly due to the bulkier nature of the ratchet mech. I'm not in love with the ratchet chin strap but with some practice I can now latch and unlatch with gloves on which is nice I guess. Another nicety is the chin bar locking mech is all metal (unlike the RPHA 90). The chin bar is creak free with the visor up or down (unlike the RPHA 90) and the two stage top detent is nice. The downers include the top vent is much too stiff (the RPHA 90 was better in this regard) and the drop down sun visor could be darker and drop down a bit lower. I have three vertebrae (c4-c5-c6) fused in my neck and I'm sensitive to neck fatigue. I've done back to back 8+ hours days in the Neotec II (upright riding position on the Super Tenere) and have not given a second thought to the weight.

    I returned the RPHA 90 without ever riding in it. The two profile pictures below do a good job of showing the difference in chin space between the two helmets.

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    Thanks for sharing
    I have the Neotec 2 for 2 weeks, 1500km.
    Shoei hide the weight really well, I dun really feel fatigue after long ride.
    As for the top vent panel stiff to move, no problem at all if you move it with your hand parellel to forward direction.
    I had the AGV Sportmodular for 2 months.
    While it is 300g lighter than the Neotec2 but the overall built quality is really bad. It’s unacceptable for such expensive lid.
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    The helmet strap too far back thing seems characteristic of HJC helmets, at least the ones I've tried. Most recently the RPHA 70. It didn't bother my throat necessarily, however the straps pressed right at the back edge of my jawline, and especially on the D-ring side with the snap keeper for the tail end of strap, it was really noticeable just wearing it around the house.
    I've never had that issue with Shoei or Scorpion or Arai.
    Too bad, because that RPHA 70 was a nice helmet.
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  19. hammick

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    Thanks for the great write up Powers! Not looking good for me me on the RPHA 90 since I thought the Neotech II was close in the chin bar area and the insert rubbed my chin when closing the bar. It was fine with the insert removed.

    On the other hand I have been riding with the Shark Evoline 1 and then Evoline III for the last ten years. I think all modulars have the chin bar closer than the Evolines.

    An uncomfortable strap is a non-starter. The latch mechanism on the Neotech II seemed convenient but I didn't get enough time in it to evaluate it's comfort.

    The HJC arrives tomorrow and the Schuberth on Thurs. I was hoping they would both come in the same box in case they both have to go back. I'll let you guys know my thoughts.

    FYI on the matte helmets they certainly look nice but if you do long trips the bugs will eventually eat into the paint. No clear coat so if you try to polish out the bug stains that area will get shiny. I'll never have a matte helmet again unless it's majorly discounted from the clear coat version.
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    May I quote, highlights in italic by me:

    No further comment. That bloke at Revzilla didn't know his ass from his head.
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