New 'oldness', Royal Enfield time machine.

Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by Scooterdoodler, Mar 10, 2017.

  1. gunnabuild1

    gunnabuild1 Long timer

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    I disagree, RE's were doing things around and through Australia when the best routes they had were cattle droving tracks. The RE's come up quite often in the early motoring history of Australia, it's a hard place on machinery, even in modern times.
    Given they predate the term Adventure bike by a minimum of half a century, it would be fairer to call them a mark 1 ?
    Great looking bike, by the way.
  2. Mista Vern

    Mista Vern Knows all - tells some.

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    Crap for weather today but tomorrow looks good so looking forward to a nice ride. Will try and get some pics now that Beet showed me how to post them fairly easily. :D
  3. Bobbrecken

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    I have had a number of rare and unusual bikes but this one attracts a lot of interest in parking lots. People go out of their way to talk about it.
  4. Mista Vern

    Mista Vern Knows all - tells some.

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    No lie - no matter where it is, the bike draws all kinds of lookers. They always are stunned to learn mine was made in 2014. :lol3
  5. ddavidv

    ddavidv So money, but doesn't know it.

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    May be considering one. 2012 Classic model, $2500. Sounds like an awfully good deal to me. Thoughts? @Scooterdoodler ?
  6. Scooterdoodler

    Scooterdoodler Long timer

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    I got nut'n. My only experience with Royal Enfields is with the 2017 Chrome Classic I owned for less than a year and 1800 miles, so I ain't much of an authority on the brand.

    I will say that $2500 sounds like a good deal.....until I remember that I sold my $5,700 2017 for $3400 or so.
  7. Caesars_ghost

    Caesars_ghost Air Cooled.

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    REs tend to hold their value very badly, but don't crash much below $2000-$2500 assuming they're runners. $2500 sounds like a very fair price assuming the bike is in running and rideable condition.
  8. Mista Vern

    Mista Vern Knows all - tells some.

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    Yeah, I have never seen one below $2K, in these parts at least. Seems like a fair price - not outstanding, but fair.
  9. ddavidv

    ddavidv So money, but doesn't know it.

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    I see guys asking $3000-3500 for old carb models all the time. No idea if they are selling or not. I figure at $2500 or a little less I can have fun with it for awhile and if I don't fall in love can get my money out of it again.
    I think its this color. Not my favorite (I like the medium blue the best) but an okay one.
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  10. Scooterdoodler

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    I'm not all butt hurt about it, it's nothing compared to the hammering you get when you sell a late model Indian or Harley. When I sell my 2016 Indian Vintage next spring, I can probably expect a $7000-$8000 depreciation hit on the $22,500 it cost new only 18 months ago.

    Fun stuff!

    ;)
  11. Center-stand

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    Well I'm glad you think it is fun. It is people like you who don't mind taking the hit that allows me to experience different bikes at good prices.

    I did give more than $2500 for my 2014 RE, but less than $3400. Not sure I could get my money back in a quick sale, but I won't lose more than a couple hundred should I decide to sell it. I would have paid $3400 for a 2017 with 1800 miles and felt like it was a deal. $2500 for a 2012, running and cosmetically good seems like a deal as well, especially if that is the asking price and there is room to bargain a bit.

    It is a relatively small group of people who own RE's in the USA and based on the numbers I see on the road we are spread far apart. Outside of the three that my friend owned, of which I bought one, I have only seen one other on the road in the last 5 or 6 years. (and I live 20 miles from a dealer) I have two friends who own older models, but neither of their bikes are are on the road, and both guys are mechanics.

    Unit construction, EFI, and hydraulic valves make the newer bikes less maintenance intensive and a better buy for those who would rather ride then wrench.

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  12. Scooterdoodler

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    I was being sarcastic. Taking huge hits with depreciation is never 'fun'.

    I've bought many used MC bargains over the years, so I don't always supply buyers 'down the road' with my first owner losses.

    My latest 'great deal' on a used motorcycle is this beautiful and minty old Shadow Aero 1100, which I snagged three months ago for $2500...
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    The color-matched Champion Sidecar saddlebags alone cost $1000 eighteen years ago when installed on the, then new, Honda (it's a 1999).

    Our two 1800 Goldwings were purchased for half the price of a new one.

    We do our share of bargain bike buying.
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  13. Center-stand

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    It's good to know you also get in on the good end of depreciation, and that Honda is beautiful.

    I recall reading somewhere on ADV, maybe in this thread, about an RE that had a tube failure because of improper installation from the factory, tube inflated with a fold or twist, if I recall correctly.

    Well I had a flat yesterday. I had ridden about thirty miles to meet friends and after visiting in the yard for a few minutes we were preparing to leave when one of the riders noticed my rear tire was flat.

    There was a short discussion about what to do, but, the time necessary to repair would take too much from the time for riding so after loading my bike on a truck they went on, and friend's wife delivered me and the RE across town to a shop that I have access to.

    Having never changed a RE rear tire I figured it was time to figure it out. Seemed simple enough. Put the bike on a rack, on the center stand, removed the axle and with some encouragement freed the wheel from the cush drive, only to discover there was not enough room to get the tire out. After a minute of consideration, I carefully slid the bike sideways until the center stand was right on the edge of the rack and I was able to drop the tire out.

    Even with a tire changer this was the most difficult tire I have ever removed from a motorcycle wheel. I think it is because it is a modern tire, stiff sidewall, tubeless design, on a very old style wheel.

    Before removal from the bike, three different times I had rotated the wheel, spraying with soapy water trying to find the culprit. With the wheel off the bike I tried once more. There was nothing.

    Once I was able to get the bead off the rim I pulled out the tube and inflated it to mark the failure location on the tire.

    Hmmmm. Never seen this before. Two small holes on the side of the tube near the valve stem. There is a brand there. It appears to be a brand like used on cattle, melted into the tube. The failure was at a "maker's mark" that weakened the tube.

    I won't be comfortable on this bike till I also replace the front tube.

    I was lucky. This failure had to occur just prior to stopping or just after. It leaked so fast that I could not have ridden at the highway speeds I was going, just 1/2 mile before stopping.

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  14. Mista Vern

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    Hoo boy, you should have watched this video first. :D




    Now I am nervous a about my tubes - thanks for the heads up!
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  15. Center-stand

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    I'll have to check and see if that will work on the newer models. I'm pretty sure it won't work with the pillion seat in place, at least not the style on my bike. A tire repair on the roadside might call for laying the bike on it's side in ditch or hillside.

    This video shows tipping the bike while on its center stand to get the wheel out.



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  16. Mista Vern

    Mista Vern Knows all - tells some.

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    He makes it look pretty easy! Being a former BMW airhead rider I am well acquainted with the horrors of real wheel removal (twin shock models) and needing to tip a bike sideways. The most perfidious set-up in history, not counting valenced fenders on old Indians.
  17. Mista Vern

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    Not that I need anything (knock on wood) but where do you fellow USA people get your RE parts?
  18. Scooterdoodler

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    I didn't need any parts for my RE when I had it, but the dealership I bought it from is only about 35 miles up the highway from me in Spearfish, South Dakota.
  19. Scooterdoodler

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    Ok, how is it nobody's talking about the 2018 Royal Enfield vertical twins?

    Definately new 'old stuff'....might even be cool 'old stuff'....
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  20. Mista Vern

    Mista Vern Knows all - tells some.

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    I hadn't seen any recent pics of them, so thanks! I wish they would have riffed off the Musket that guy is building, but we'll see how these are. I wonder what their target audience is - unless they are quite inexpensive it would be hard to go up against Triumph.