New Rico-Dolores travel plan

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  1. mylsmkj

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    Shocker! The district ranger didn't want his name in this article. Throwing his "assistant" under the bus instead. Wow.
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    The objections are in. Leading the pack against us are: wildearth guardians (aka Eco-Terrorist #1), Colorado backcountry hunters and anglers, and San Juan citizen alliance.

    https://cara.ecosystem-management.org/Public//ReadingRoom?Project=44918

    So, I did some poking around about wildearth. Found numerous things. Seems they do nothing productive and even list entities as supporters without the entities knowledge. (interesting though that new belgium brewery was on the list...some of you may remember they were on the list we saw a few years ago of entities in favor of locking us out of some public land near Moab).

    https://cara.ecosystem-management.org/Public//ReadingRoom?Project=44918
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  4. dmac1

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    Here is out side's take:

    COLORADO - Recreation Groups File Objections to Rico/West Dolores Travel Management ROD

    Dear Action Alert Subscriber,

    On November 15, 2017, the San Juan National Forest Dolores Ranger District released a Final Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) and Draft Record of Decision for the Rico/West Dolores Roads and Trails (Travel Management) project. Members of the public can review the documents, maps and other project information at: https://www.fs.usda.gov/project/?project=44918

    There is a lot of interest in the Draft Record of Decision on the Rico West Dolores Travel Management Project for the San Juan (CO) National Forest.

    Sharetrails.org/ BlueRibbon Coalition has worked under the direction of Colorado members in this project for many years, particularly including assisting as an intervenor in the Forest Service's successful defense against the Backcountry Hunters & Anglers lawsuit filed in 2009. Sharetrails.org/BRC continued to follow the leadership of our local partners, and was named in objections recently submitted by the San Juan Trail Riders (SJTR), Public Access Preservation Association (PAPA), Trails Preservation Alliance (TPA), and Colorado Off Highway Vehicle Coalition (COHVCO).

    If you would like further information, you can view the TPA announcement and the SJTR Member Alert below, each of which include the objections submitted by our attorneys. This is a top priority and these groups are vigorously fighting to maintain and improve access in the Rico West Dolores and surrounding areas.

    Ric Foster
    Public Lands Department Manager
    BlueRibbon Coalition
    208-237-1008 ext. 2



    Trails Preservation Alliance
    Objections to Rico West Dolores Travel Management Draft
    https://www.coloradotpa.org/2017/12/29/objections-to-rico-west-dolores-travel-management-draft/

    Member Alert - 1/5/2018

    January 09, 2018 5:35 AM | Anonymous

    Your SJTR's Board of Directors finds it very important to keep you updated on the steps that are being taken to challenge the USFS Dolores, CO Ranger District's recent move to significantly reduce single-track motorized recreation in the Rico/West Dolores Landscape of Southwest Colorado.

    On December 29 th, 2017 a very significant list of objections to the Draft Record of Decision (DROD) developed by the Dolores Ranger District was submitted to the Region 2 offices of the U.S.F.S. in Denver, CO. These objections will be reviewed by an assigned reviewing officer as a part of the process. We will be waiting to hear of any actions that may or may not result as to the review that will be made. We will keep you abreast of future developments.

    A full list of the objections to the DROD by the Dolores Ranger District are posted HERE for your review. Please take the time to look over these objections carefully to get a full understanding of all that is in play with this action.

    Best regards to all our loyal and supportive members who are committed to preserving our future recreation opportunities.
    Your San Juan Trail Riders Board of Directors.
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    Montezuma County is boldly (and perhaps, righteously) using RS2477* to lay claim to roads and trails threatened by the NFS travel management plan. This includes Dolores-Norwood Road, Morrison Trail, Bear Creek Trail, Sharkstooth Trail, Indian Trail Ridge (Colorado Trail), Pasture Gulch, Ryman Creek, Priest Gulch Trail, Calico South, Burnett Creek Trail and Road, Eagle Peak Trail, Horse Creek Trail, Horse Gulch Road, Calico Basin Trail, Calico North Trail, Papoose Creek Trail and Johnny Bull Trail.

    https://the-journal.com/articles/100898-county-claims-trails-roads-on-national-forest

    *RS2477 (for those who aren't familiar with this law and protocol) is something you should google and educate yourselves about.

    Take it for what it is, but I think the Montezuma BoCC is taking a real stand against the FS over-reach. Perhaps you disagree, but I thought I'd share.
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  7. enduro-ince

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    is it wrong that this post gave me wood? Do you think theres any real chance this might work in our favor Will? sharks tooth? indian trail ridge? dreamy terrain right there. maybe i won't have to move after all.
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    Yes. More times than not it implements way unreasonable restrictions that negatively effect people's freedom and livelihoods. Sometimes these restrictions are based on pretty biased or inaccurate intel. Nobody wants to wipe out the minnows or mice but the key word here is reasonable.
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    In Montezuma County's use of RS2477 thus far, they have been mostly successful in the NFS allowing the County to use/maintain the Dolores-Norwood Road without much of a hassle. Mind you, the NFS has not conceded that MZ County actually owns the road per RS2477, but they have basically relinquished control. This road however, is a bit different than a trail where certain user-groups might take issue with MZ County's decision to circumvent the Feds. Guess we'll wait and see what kind of effect Dunton et al will have on the Feds' response to this maneuver.
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    I'm not aware that RS2477 has been successfully tried in court. It will take a lot of $$ to push this discussion. Even if you win, the decision might be to allow the forms of transportation that were available in the 1800's, not today.
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    Thanks Debbie Downer.
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    My pleasure. Our best bet is BRC and TPA.

    I think only willing municipalities will be successful in pushing the RS2477 argument. I think several counties in Utah have tried this approach.
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    You are probably right but I like the pressure the county is applying to that particular FS office. Something weird is going on, we were told months ago the decision was final and the new plan would be put into effect in early June. A friend of mine called a few days ago to check in with the district ranger and was told that a decision has not been made yet. This has to be one of the most unprofessional offices in the country, they can't even close trails efficiently. Watching ranger Padilla give speeches about the Burro fire and its clear the dude is very good at talking in circles and saying nothing. I heard he was driving around in a shiny new truck with custom "I heart Dunton" plates.
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    We spent a few days in Rico two years ago. Rented out the entire Mineshaft Inn and dropped a large amount of $$ just at the Enterprise over the course of a few days. We are not stereotypical Texans and behave ourselves and were good representatives of our sport the whole time. I got more dirty looks those few days than almost ever. I guess we are much worse than the dudes cooking meth at the end of the road that goes to the local hot springs right there on the Dolores.

    Anyway, we were staged the last morning at the dirt road in town going up towards the Burnett single track which intersects halfway through Calico and one of the house/cabin owners came running out across the road to tell us that he hated dirt bikes. Our bikes were parked and not running at the time. Nor did we stir up dust or make any undue noise. I took my helmet off and engaged the man in a civil conversation that ended amicably. Still, open hostility for sure.

    I think when you combine the Dunton Falls owner with the majority of Ricoites that are 100% happy with no off road access from the town (suspicious how the new travel plan took that exact shape) then you most likely have a powerful lobby going on behind the scenes that is manifesting itself as we see.
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    Supposedly, a rep from San Juan Trail Riders met with Ken Tu, of the region 2 USFS office in denver. Ken told him that if Montezuma county can provide evidence of the existence of these roads and trails before the establishment of the forest service the FS would not fight the resolution. Sounds like there are maps out there showing most of these trails existed in what was called the Montezuma National Forest in the 1890's. God i love history!
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    I don't think the majority of Rico wanted all trails into town shut down. A few very vocal folks did and too many of the business owners that would be affected by a drop in business didn't care enough to make their voices heard. Still scratching my head about that. I contacted all the ones I knew about and most weren't aware what was happening but thanked me for bringing it to their attention. Then they still did nothing..
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    I am sure you are correct as I have just the one reference point, and I know you have been immersed in the whole thing (which we appreciate beyond words) but the way it went down for us that trip it sure felt like a majority. The Mineshaft is right there by the Post Office and everyone walking in and out that looked at us returned a glare it seems.
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    Thats too bad, I was hoping Rico people would be a little more.... real i guess. I really haven't spent much time in town, I get most of my dirty looks out on the trail. lol. The whole area is changing. Seems the new motto is "do it like i do it or you will be considered subhuman". One of the people from Rico Trails Alliance met with me and another local moto trail rider under the guise of collaboration. This was during the last comment period for the new plan. Basically she was like, "if you write in support of closing burnett to motorized use, we will write in support of keeping horse creek open to motorized use". My reply was, "we don't deserve to lose any trail so No thanks" She kept going on and on about how we need to collaborate and it will be better for everyone. Fast forward to a couple days ago: She runs into a friend of mine who is a moto trail rider. She thinks he's a mountain biker so she starts bragging about how RTA got a bunch of trails closed to motos so now its going to be MTN Biker Nirvana.. I'd give my left nut to be able to tell her both of her precious trails that are too steep for 99% of the MTN bikers out there will remain motorcycle trails and that now I'm getting the loudest pipe on the market and riding right by her house just for fun...
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  19. COXR650L

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    What a bunch of BS. I feel bad for you Tom. Its bad enough when we all loose trails, but most of us are just tourists in these areas. I cant imagine loosing a network of stuff in your back yard that you've spent years working on and riding.

    Even though I grew up mountain biking in GJ and Fruita, I am growing to despise the sport. It seems like mountain bikers are the demise for moto single track. How they manage to get any trail closed they decide is popular is beyond me. I'm sure there is more to the problems around Rico than just mountain bikers, but it seems like it goes hand in hand.

    I grew up riding mountain bikes on what is now the Lunch Loop in Grand Junction and four wheeling on Little Park Road. The Lunch Loop was really an obscure mountain bike spot. You routinely saw motorcycles on the single track and 4x4s going up the road. Mountain biking gets popular and the Lunch Loop becomes off limits to all the other user groups. Fast forward a few years and suddenly Little Park is now also a nice spot to mountain bike. Guess what happens? A good portion of the roads get closed to motorized while miles and miles a single track mountain bike trails are built. Don't worry they tried to appease us with some crappy ATV tracks and a few miles of single track open to motos that probably only accounts for 2% of the total single track mileage in the area.......

    I see the same thing happening in Rabbit Valley. Up until 5-10 years ago you seldom saw mountain bikers that far west. Now the parking lot is full of mountain bikers during the weekends. I have had very few friendly encounters with mountain bikes on the Rim trail. One or two have said something about me being on the trail, but almost all glare and don't respond when I say hi. I'd be surprised if the Rim trail is open to motos in 5 years. Mels and the stuff further west will be next. Luckily, trail 8 and some of the other stuff is likely to sandy for the mountain bikers.

    This is the trend every where. Closing trails to motos and building mountain bike trails like its going out of style.

    Fighting a loosing battle.
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