New Vermont Dual Sport loop - in process - Helpers wanted

Discussion in 'Northeast - Greater Flugistan and home of the carp' started by Seth S, May 30, 2018.

  1. Seth S

    Seth S Will _____ for _____

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    So I've been out of riding for the last couple of years with only a little riding here and there..a few short trips and mostly on the 950. One or two Dacres mixed in just to remind me that the best way to warm up after not riding regularly is to go ride 500 miles in the Canadian woods cold turkey.

    that said I've wanted to put together a new iteration of the Vermont Dual Sport loop ever since I started piecing together the GPX file from the old route sheets. I've been building Google earth trails slowly and have some nifty tools to help find old trails and tracks. If anyone is interested in playing pathfinder and testing out routes I'd be happy to collaborate and hopefully we can piece together a new route that covers legit trails and avoids the questionable ones.

    As for me? well in September of 2015 I bought a house and 3.5 acres of land. My dad and I tore into and gutted the house starting in December of 15 and have worked almost every free day, weekend, and holiday since then. I might even get to live there this year. Interestingly enough my house is less than a mile from the start of the old Vermont Dual Sport loop and I often see groups of riders going by that I suspect are out on it....which is really hard to watch others having fun while I pound nails. I also got a new job in the Spring of 2016 which has had me traveling around the world 50% of the time.

    That said I just ordered a new battery for the 950 and a new chain. Get some maintenance done and then use the big bike to go explore some new routes.
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  2. danruss

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    I could be interested. I imagine @deladude would be too. He and I (mostly he) have been making a list of Class 4 roads/trails and exploring them.
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  3. Seth S

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    Lately I've been using google earth to lay out paths that I either know or know part of and I have a free add on that overlays the topo maps onto google earth which is really handy for tracing routes that are either not drawn on google earth as a road or are just not visible in current or historic satellite images. Here is the link to Earth point....it was easy to setup: http://www.earthpoint.us/TopoMap.aspx .
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    I'm down to help bird dog some some new routes. Located in Colchester so anything within an hour or so.
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    Seth S Will _____ for _____

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    feel free to trace out routes you know of as well. We can build up a database and then piece the route together from there. I'll revive my dropbox account and start droping Google routes in there others can load and build off of.
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    Nice find! Just added this layer in and it shows some nice dashed lines and even says '4WD' for some known Class IV roads.
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    Thanks a bunch for this - I was digging through the LIDAR on the Vermont GIS portal but could not for the life of me figure out how to load it into a viewer - ArcGIS appears to be a pay only product now.
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    Count me in! I had my first go at starting to map things out on google for last Monday's ride, check it out here. This loop is one you can do from the Burlington area in a day. I was already thinking to expand on this to cover more class fours, particularly in the southern portion, so I'm all for collaborating to get some solid routes mapped out. There is a lot of VT I haven't really touched yet so I'm looking forward to finding some more trails. I am particularly interested in finding more difficult terrain and single-track, if there is any.
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    If you want to use a proper GIS tool, QGIS is a free, open-source tool that will handle most of the same data types as ArcGIS. For ride-planning, the VGIS web viewer is probably a lot easier.
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    Gonna check this out now!

    @deladude and I are planning to do a ride to the NEK next weekend - any routes we should scout while we're up there, @Seth S ?
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    I've ridden some fantastic trails up in the NEK but it was years ago and its totally out of my knowledge base. I'd say either make note of any good stuff you find or track routes with the gps and we can add them into the database and use them for building going forwards.
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    Always in to explore and help build a solid loop. I would suggest that people "grade" the tracks so we can string together big-bike friendly or enduro-style routes as needed; I hate slabbing on the 350 almost as much as hauling the AT out of mud holes. I have a decent amount of big-bike, dual-sport, and enduro tracks for northern VT saved... some more 'legit' than others.
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    For sure a good idea to grade sections. Many of the roads in the original dual sport loop are still useable and good for piecing in. I'd suggest we try to stick to the "legit" trails as much as possible just to lessen the potential trouble for future users. I have a bunch of trails I ride that are on the iffy side and seem ok for a single or two bikes sneaking through...but a horde would probably lead to problems.
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    Here is the grading system that I use for the NE Classic Big Bike Ride, if this helps:

    LEVEL I
    – Umaintained town road with some muddy sections. Off road tires recommended.

    LEVEL II – Unmaintained town road with passable mud holes and some rocky sections. Off-road tires and ground clearance recommended.

    LEVEL III – Old road bed (unmaintained road) with some difficult sections. Off-road tires, ground clearance and off-road experience recommended.

    LEVEL IV – Unmaintained roads and trails with rocks, mud and elevation changes. Off-road tires, ground clearance and off-road experience REQUIRED.
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    I was thinking about going even simpler with the rating system. Most of the trails around here are doable on any bike but rider experience is key. I think a simpler rating would just be to indicate say sub 500cc recommended or all bikes capable and just assume a certain level of skill. Perhaps indicate “Hero” section for the really high skill and physically demanding sections. For instance Dorset mountain has parts that I am sure a top enduro rider could get a GS up. But is mere mortals will struggle on a 450.
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    Went out for an evening drive and discovered two trailheads that are practically in my backyard and I didn’t think were still useable. I was in my DD so I’ll go back with either the land cruiser or a bike and see I can can ride through.

    The first loop that starts in Bridgewater uses only a small portion of trails available. My goal is to use as many as possible without repeating. Though crossing over and maybe riding backwards down a trail you’ve just ridden is a possible. I know that when I follow a prescripted route I often am not aware enough that I have actually looped around on myself.
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    sperduton Been here awhile

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    Gonna be based from the vetra dual sport loop from many years ago? I never got there to ride it.

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    About 10 years ago a past member of Vetra got the original route sheets to me and I started to ride it and figure out what trails still existed. Not long after I rode the route with some other Adv’rs and we recorded the gpx file. It’s great to see it has propagated and gets used so much. However I always thought it missed a lot of really good trails and unfortunately some that made the original are now driveways or private land.

    So I wanted to build a new route which will use parts of the old and expand upon it. Can’t say it will be the same overall loop but the old route will still be a route. :hmmmmm
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