No-Can_Do can't title dirtbike in WY, even if plated in MI already

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by JayDub, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. AndyT

    AndyT Been here awhile

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    They are trying to keep people from going to Oregon, which has no sales tax, to buy vehicles and bringing them into WA. Good or bad, there is some reasoning there.
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  2. JayDub

    JayDub Havin Fun

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    Wow, Lord Dogmeat and Zpooch I don't know how they did that for you but I guess it's up to the county clerk. My CRF has a street title in Michigan but WY won't honor it in Goshen County. When I talked with the WYDOT guy in Cheyenne he said it doesn't matter what other states did but said you can't register dirt bikes here if the VIN comes back to a dirt bike and there is no DOT sticker on the frame saying it met DOT standards. STRANGE.
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  3. dodgerdodger

    dodgerdodger Acountabilabuddy

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    Hmmmmm, i grew up in SD, parents still live there. Already have a WR426 anf XR6 plated here in CO.......but, could be cool to plate a YZ250F........
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  4. Cowboy

    Cowboy Ceteris non Paribus

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    Just a suggestion based on my experience: Wyoming allows you to register your bike in any county, no matter where you live in the state. Go try to re-title the bike in Albany County and get your plates there. I bought a DRZe model that had been titled in Colorado, and had no trouble getting a new title in Albany County. They never mentioned anything about the fact that it was not DOT legal from the factory. It's been a few years, though, so something in the law may have changed since then. Their computer system may have gotten better at finding that sort of problem. It also might be my luck, because I knew nearly everybody who worked in the Clerk's office in Laramie. (Actually, I know a bunch of them in Torrington too.)

    By the way, welcome to Goshen County! I grew up on a ranch near Yoder.
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  5. JayDub

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    Hi Cowboy. My daughter is going to Southeast HS in Yoder: go Cyclones! If you still know some clerks in the office in Torrington, maybe you can ask them to help me :y0!The issue is the VIN inspection. I don't now how long WY has been doing that. The clerk took my Michigan title, verified the VIN on my title with what the sheriff deputy had written down for the VIN inspection, then put that VIN into the computer. The computer told her it was a dirtbike. Also my Michigan title says under mileage "No Odometer" so that was another clue for her. From what I understand you have to title it in the county of residence now too which might be a recent change.

    I decided to download WY statue 31 regarding motor vehicles as this is the codified laws of WY. There they are calling dirt bikes "Off-road recreational vehicles", not to be confused with side by sides or ATVs. It talks about how you can get the MPV plates for the ATVs and side by sides and legally use them even on the traveled portions of roads except for Interstates. It also talks about using snowmobiles on the non-driven portion of the roads with some exceptions allowing them on the traveled portion of the roads. Heaven forbid you drive a dirtbike (or an offroad recreational vehicle as they call it here) on the road because you can't legally. It's in black and white in the statute. See below:

    "Motorcycle" means every motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and designed to travel on not more than three (3) wheels in contact with the ground but which may have attached thereto a sidecar for the purpose of transporting a single passenger. For the purpose of registration and titling "motorcycle" includes motorized bicycles and scooters, but excludes mopeds, motorized skateboards, multipurpose vehicles and off-road recreational vehicles as defined in subparagraph (K) of this paragraph;
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    (K) "Off‑road recreational vehicle" means:
    (I) A recreational vehicle primarily designed for off-road use which is fifty (50) inches or less in width and has an unladen weight of one thousand one hundred (1,100) pounds or less;
    (II) Any unlicensed motorcycle which has an unladen weight of six hundred (600) pounds or less and is designed to be ridden off road with the operator astride upon a seat or saddle and travels on two (2) tires; and
    (III) Any multi‑wheeled motorized vehicle not required by law to be licensed and is designed for cross‑country travel on or over land, sand, snow, ice or other natural terrain and which has an unladen weight of more than nine hundred (900) pounds.
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    The clincher under "registration exemptions" it says:
    (b) Off-road recreational vehicles shall not be registered.

    I haven't talked the Senator here yet but hope to soon. He hasn't called me back (that I know of because our cell service was down for 2 weeks). If nothing else I'll swing by his local office again in town. Someone in the legislature doesn't like dirt bikes for some reason.

    Jaydub
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  6. no2tracks

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    So trials bikes don't exist in Wy because they don't have a seat?

    What do the weights have to do with anything?
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  7. enduro16

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    Hey all states are cracking down now they go by the VIN number goes into a computer it's simple how you spell get done in Illinois I got dirt bikes they're Street licensed but you know what just because I sell them to somebody in a different state doesn't mean that they're going to give him a title because I have a road-legal title for it the days are getting this done or getting harder and harder and almost impossible
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  8. CaseyJones

    CaseyJones Ridin' that train

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    There are better ways. When I brought a beater from Texas to Ohio, 1982, I just had to produce the bill of sale showing that I paid tax on the sale.

    This is what happens when tax rates become ridiculous. People just can't reach in their pockets for $2000 in TAXES; so they try to work around.

    And then the tax-collectors get all Gestapo. Not the individuals so much as the entire system.

    Montana, by comparison and thank all gods, has NO sales tax. And that includes vehicles.
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  9. kbroderick

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    Depends on the county for vehicles, and there is a de facto sales tax (aka "Resort Tax") in something like nine municipalities statewide. With that said, it's still a lot less than high-tax states.
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  10. TheKrux

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    I just registered 3 bikes in Montana, which is a good deal, $85 permanent tags. Even though I own a cabin in northern Montana, I kind of got the run around. I live in Salt Lake and I figured since I have owned this cabin for 10 years I might as well save some money and get a tag for the FE 350 to boot. It took a while and the clerks told me they were cracking down on out of state registrations and might try to close the LLC loophole soon. Maybe they were just being dicks, but since there are about 100 people living up there that pay taxes I thought they would be happier to take my money.
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  11. Scoutin Wyo

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    Hmm. I'm over in Fremont County and purchased a CO titled (Certificate of Origin) KTM 300xc and my county clerk office had me jump a few hoops to get the VIN inspected and they issued me a new title. They offered for me to buy plates the same day but I declined. I'm pretty certain that my 300xc is not DOT approved from the factory, yet the clerk's office offered to sell me plates. I would suggest the same as Cowboy had earlier, take said bike and title to Albany, Platte or Niobrara. Stay away from the Laramie Co office, when I lived there the employees were a mixture of wet mop and pit viper. I also would NOT explain to the clerk employees of your situation and previous failures. Just hand them the MI title and pull out your check book. Good luck!
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  12. AviatorTroy

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    Computers run by human robots can cause problems with this kind of thing, but from my previous experiences living in many different states and municipalities, I can recommend the following... going to a different office in a different county or even the same office on a different day can result in dramatically different results. There is no consistency, the DMV system in every state is a mess, but you can always find some way to work around burocratic nonsense.
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  13. Rogue_Ryder

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    That's ridiculous that a bike with an existing street title can't be converted to a WY title! Even California will let you bring in a non-compliant bike if it has an existing street title in your name from another state (I did it). I know there are original offroad bikes registered for the street in WY (I've ridden with guys from WY that had street plates on CRFXs & IT200s).

    As far as the Montana thing goes, YES there's been some crack down. BUT It is 100% legal for you to reside in any state other than Montana and have a vehicle permanently registered in the state of Montana. What you need to do is have an LLC that is registered in the state of Montana. 1000s of people do this. There are more Exotic cars registered in Montana than any other state because for a nominal amount of money you can set up your LLC in Montana and then title and register your vehicle under the LLC in the state of Montana avoiding 1000s in sales and excise taxes. It's worth doing this on very expensive trucks, RV, exotics etc. The cops pull you over and they can't say jack 'cause it's not YOUR car but a "companies", not much different than every U-Haul being registered in Arizona.

    It is not worth doing so with a dirt bike, and personally I'd do the registered at a friends address up there. It's not like you'll be commuting 1000s of miles a year on a dirt bike.
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  14. JayDub

    JayDub Havin Fun

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    I haven't run into my local state senator so I sent him an email a few weeks back and got no response. I did call the Pennington County Clerk's office in Rapid City SD to inquire about the legality of plating my bike there. It's totally legal on their end, the WY end is the problem if I'm going to have a problem if I went that route. We'll see which way to go but I'd rather get it fixed as WY is a freedom loving state...most of the time.
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  15. HellSickle

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    You might want to try a different DMV office. This worked for me when I lived in states with more restrictive plating laws. It would be worth driving an hour or two.
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