Pine Barrens rides

Discussion in 'Northeast - Greater Flugistan and home of the carp' started by NJ-Bill, Mar 15, 2016.

  1. jack splash

    jack splash Two Sheds

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    Good to see you guys, what a great day, we stayed in Brendan Byrne and there were no big puddles on our route.

    We ran into another group we know at the Rt 72 Wawa. What an assortment of machines, GS's 800 & 1200, KTM 1090,1190, 250, Africa Twin, Versys, etc.
    and world famous rider Spurgeon Dunbar, from Revzilla. : )

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  2. EFD330

    EFD330 Adventurer

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    Hey guys picking up my 1090R Tuesday.. haven't been off road for like 8 years coming off a KTM super duke (traded in for the adventure) and looking to get into some easy tracks to get my feet wet before I can get some proper boots and pants.. my previous off road ride was a RM 250 smoker.. I'm from Elizabeth union county but obviously Willing to travel
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  3. Donny312

    Donny312 Been here awhile

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    Just get a new nut AND bolt. Should be easy to find.
  4. LetMeAskMyWifeFirst

    LetMeAskMyWifeFirst n00b

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    Hopefully in the next couple weeks I’ll be joining everyone on some rides in the Wharton / Bass River area. Just picked up this DRZ last week.

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  5. decafe

    decafe Been here awhile

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    Gonna try and sneak out around 1230 today at atison/Jackson rd area if anyone gonna be wet
  6. RebelYell

    RebelYell Been here awhile

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    What did you pay otd for the drz let me ask and what dealer did you pick it up from?
  7. LetMeAskMyWifeFirst

    LetMeAskMyWifeFirst n00b

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    I actually picked it up barely used from a private sale nearby (Craigslist find). He got it last year from Mt Holly Motorsports.
  8. Nir-ISR

    Nir-ISR Adventurer

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    I was watching this one for a while, looks great!, but I didn't want to deal with the lien.
    Enjoy and see you out there.
  9. decafe

    decafe Been here awhile

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    Watch out for the slippery mud out almost had a nice off yesterday . Simple jeep trail with some grassy spots the spots with grass where like ice right under surface . All good
  10. RebelYell

    RebelYell Been here awhile

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    Well best of luck w it.
  11. ICohen424

    ICohen424 Adventurer

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    Any big bikes riding this Sunday?
  12. EFD330

    EFD330 Adventurer

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    Got my 1090 yesterday but no trips to pines for me untill next month

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  13. Roaddogg

    Roaddogg Adventurer

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    If the Rain holds off on Sunday I would be up for a ride.
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  14. dstutz

    dstutz Been here awhile

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    Hey @jack splash (or anyone else...), You ever get shit from LEOs for your license plate being mounted sideways?
  15. MuckSavage

    MuckSavage A Piney Irregular

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    I did. Simple harassment.....SPP officer threatened to ticket me for "improper display of license plate". I politely told him that the DMV rules are that it needs to be securely fastened & illuminated, which it is.
  16. ebbanflood

    ebbanflood Riff Raff

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    This is what I understand is NJ requirements

    NJ Administrative Code (N.J.A.C. 13:20-32.4) states:
    "The license plate shall be displayed not less than 12 inches nor more than 48 inches from the ground in a horizontal position."
  17. Bhart89

    Bhart89 Been here awhile

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    “If you ride like me it spends a good deal of time in the horizontal position” may not help you avoid a ticket...
  18. Donny312

    Donny312 Been here awhile

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    That’s the wrong statute. The correct one is 39:3-33. What you have is basically the same text as the Title 39 one I mentioned, but that’s what applies to automobiles.

    This is for bikes

    Motorcycles shall also display an identification mark or marks; provided, that if two marks are issued they shall be displayed on the front and rear of the motorcycle; and provided, further, that if only one mark is issued it shall be displayed on the rear of the motorcycle.
  19. ebbanflood

    ebbanflood Riff Raff

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    You are right Donny.




    To: New Jersey Law Revision Commission


    From: Vito J. Petitti

    Re: Motorcycle License Plate Display

    Date: June 6, 2016



    MEMORANDUM





    Introduction



    A member of the public apprised Staff of a concern regarding N.J.S. 39:3-33, which controls the display of New Jersey registered motorcycle license plates. Under the statute, an automobile license plate must be displayed in a horizontal position on the rear of the vehicle. Motorcycle owners must also display license plates on the rear of motorcycles, but there is no express requirement to display them horizontally. Some police officers believe the wording of the statute is vague and has enabled motorcycle operators to elude law enforcement efforts.





    N.J.S. 39:3-33



    N.J.S. 39:3-33, entitled “Identification mark or marks; display; registration plate inserts; issuance; requirements; use of fictitious numbers or plate with advertisement; violations; penalties,” provides, in relevant part, that



    The owner of an automobile which is driven on the public highways of this State shall display not less than 12 inches nor more than 48 inches from the ground in a horizontal position, and in such a way as not to swing, an identification mark or marks to be furnished by the division; provided, that if two marks are issued they shall be displayed on the front and rear of the vehicle; and provided, further, that if only one mark is issued it shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle … Motorcycles shall also display an identification mark or marks; provided, that if two marks are issued they shall be displayed on the front and rear of the motorcycle; and provided, further, that if only one mark is issued it shall be displayed on the rear of the motorcycle. [Emphasis added.]


    . . .



    All identification marks shall be kept clear and distinct and free from grease, dust or other blurring matter, so as to be plainly visible at all times of the day and night.





    For the purpose of the statute, license plates are considered “identification marks.” N.J.S. 39:3-33 does not restrict motorcycle operators to the horizontal display of license plates, nor does it specify that the plate must be visible from the rear. For instance, the plate, although mounted on the rear of the vehicle, could be attached in such a way as to be visible and identifiable only from one side or the other.





    Preliminary Outreach



    In order to become better acquainted with the scope of potential issues related to the language of N.J.S. 39:3-33, Staff has accomplished some preliminary outreach to members of the law enforcement community. Most responded that there is a problem with the statute, as written.



    One officer informed Staff that, when he cannot clearly see a motorcycle license plate from two to three car lengths away, he considers it unclear and writes a ticket. He noted that many of his fellow officers do not write the ticket because the statute is vague, and that “added language on 39:3-33 would be helpful.” According to this officer, “a lot of” motorcycle operators hide their plates under the seat making them unreadable, and “many times the bikes are stolen.” As to the number of tickets that “stick” (i.e., are not dismissed), he informed Staff that he had “never been called by a prosecutor about it,” assuming that the relatively inexpensive tickets are paid.



    Another officer characterized vertically mounted plates as “not reasonably displayed” when “bent along the rear fender both horizontally and vertically, as well as deep under the seat. All make it difficult to read the plate.” He suggested that the law should read “that the requirements pertain to both automobiles and motorcycles, and the plates cannot be bent or twisted.”



    Not everyone in law enforcement objects to vertical display of motorcycle plates. A 29-year veteran opined that there is no problem with the “perpendicular mounting, just as long as the plate is clearly displayed and unobstructed by anything.” He added that “sometimes, due to the rear chassis of a motorcycle, a horizontal mounting is not an option.”



    Finally, a New Jersey traffic enforcement officer claimed he does not “issue a ticket for a vertically mounted tag alone because there are so many other bad ones.” For instance, some motorcycle owners attach the plate vertically, but bent in such a way as to make it difficult to see from behind. The officer says he will not issue the ticket “mostly because of the statute wording” and that “a large majority of sport motorcycle riders remove the [stock] tag holder … The very first modification done to these motorcycles is to remove this assembly using a ‘fender eliminator kit.’”





    Other States’ Statutes



    Although other states’ statutes vary with regard to horizontal placement of motorcycle license plates, preliminary research indicates general agreement that they should be securely fastened whereby they may be clearly seen from the rear of the vehicle.



    Florida requires motorcycle license plates “affixed and displayed in such a manner that the letters and numerals shall be read from left to right parallel to the ground” and may not “be displayed in an inverted or reversed position or in such a manner that the letters and numbers and their proper sequence are not readily identifiable.” Also, the plate must be “clearly visible from the rear at all times” and the deliberate concealment of the tag is prohibited.



    License plates on motorcycles registered in Idaho must be “securely fastened,” “attached to the rear,” and “in a place and position as to be clearly visible,” but with no requirement for horizontal display. But Indiana motorcycle license plates must be “securely fastened in a horizontal position,” “upon the rear of the vehicle,” “in a place and position that are clearly visible,” and “not obstructed or obscured by tires, bumpers, accessories, or other opaque objects.”



    Neither Montana nor Nebraska requires a horizontal display, but motorcycles registered in the former must have a “license plate displayed on the rear of the vehicle,” “conspicuously displayed,” and must be “obviously visible and firmly attached.” Although Nebraska law currently does not even require rear motorcycle license placement, a recent legislative bill would seem to address the issue. Operators in that state must secure their plates “in an upright position” with all identification marks on such plates “kept clear” and “plainly visible at all times during daylight and under artificial light in the nighttime.”



    In Nevada, motorcycle plates “must be attached to the rear of the vehicle,” “in a place and position to be clearly visible.” In New York motorcycle plates must be “displayed on the rear … securely fastened.” Horizontal placement of motorcycle plates is not required in either state.



    Staff requests the Commission’s guidance as to whether further research and outreach would be appropriate with a view to possibly clarifying the language in New Jersey’s Title 39 in a way that resolves the issues raised herein.

























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  20. Nir-ISR

    Nir-ISR Adventurer

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    Not related to PB rides, but…

    I just complete a full week of offsite meetings, the idea is to be away from your office and not get distracted by the day to day tasks.
    Or as I see it, managers around the world wanted a visit in the US, so they arranged an offsite session in the US.

    So, we had people coming from Spain, Mexico, Israel and most of them from India.

    Since we already working around the clock, this time the managers from India suggest Yoga for success to allow us to do even more and Yoga for health so we will be able to continue doing it longer...

    I suggested a different approach, I suggested the docgonzo discipline!
    I gave them some of docgonzo’s quotes from this forum, like:

    I'm running out of "some day"s
    And
    Big bikes Friday with Gerry.... Or, skiing with me at Blue Mountain!

    Or simply don't postpone things and make sure you continue doing the things you love (multiple options are even better), this way you will probably be able to continue doing them even longer.

    With majority of Indians there, Sadhguru won, but docgonzo earned a lot of respect!
    (Jim, Jerry, Al, Bill also contributed to my understanding of the docgonzo discipline)