Piss poor 1190 intake...*Pics Added*

@WayFar beat me to it, but I already typed the response, so here it lies. Lol

You could use tape, but it's not a sure thing, especially making all the turns and around the crankcase breather tube. If I was going to leave it stock, I'd leave the paper filter with the '15 and later filter wedge and use a Uni lid gasket oiled with thick filter oil.

Just a note on this, the new SAS I noticed KTM have changed the design of the RAM tubes as well....no more direct pipes which are stupid...they have finally caught onto Suzuki SRAD 90's design and put in a step in the tube and drain hole to reduce the chance of water entering the airbox. They have also changed the intake at the front.

KTM canned the paper filters in '13 and '14 giving customers the DNA or Uni option depending which country you were in.

Paper is easy maintenance but if it gets wet it warps, that was one of the issues on the bikes back then. Then KTM changed the clamping design however,if you had the DNA or Uni "upgrade", they would not retro fit for free the '15 clamp.

So watch what combination you use to "fix" the intake.

For the lid the Uni foam gasket is accepted as the fix, especially inside the airbox over the top of the filter clamp.

The main filter, depends what year model you run and if you ride in allot of rainy conditions.

I personally would not waste my time on the stock airbox if you are worried,hell even the lid screws strip easily...PITA

Fit Pods or Rottie and be done with it.

If the intake does not bother you then forget what I mentioned and enjoy the ride.

Pics are of my 2013 1190 S vs my 2017 1290 SAS, as you can see, they almost 100% identical so I question those who say this airbox is "fixed", more like a crap shoot.

Imho

Looks like you ran the DNA or similar filter and that dust is what usually happens when you do not maintain the 'oiled' filter correctly. The ram tubes blast air on the filter and one notices that they get 'dry spots' and when this happens, the fine dust pass's through the filter.

I had a similar issue with Rottweiler when they launched their intake system, front took a hammering with the tubes in place so, they send out deflector plates then recommended the tubes be removed. I kept my tubes and fitted a KTM300 radiator "deflector" back then before the plates were sent out, worked well on my 1190 now on the 1290 and the difference was day and night, my filter did not dry out and experienced no damaged unlike a few others.

Watch out for foam/oil'd filters, they work very well however, they need more maintenance than a paper on these Adventure bikes...this is my experience. They not a fit and forget for 15 000km or 2-5yrs, unlike the paper.

Guys get caught up in the "upgrade" without knowing these minor yet important points and I can suggest you talk to Chris at Rottweiler or search their site for information...sure the POD suppliers will also have plenty of info on how to maintain their filters.

The bonus was with Rottie, the cool air coming in now flushed out any heat buildup under the tank and I have zero heat issues on my ass or thighs, be it the 1190 or 1290.

IMHO

It had a K&N in it. I’ll be making sure to take the Uninout from time to time to clean and oil it. This a proceyningine to suck dirt into. I like your feedback on the Rott clearing out the heat for you.

To clarify, the Uni gasket in the stock box is the accepted fix for dust getting AROUND the stock filter? Correct? Then filter media is a separate issue/ consideration?

Is this considered fact?

I went ahead and ordered the uni and an extra gasket.

That’s the ticket. It looks to be that all the crud came in via a poorly sealed air box lid to air box seal. That Uni gasket will fix it, and for not much cash.

Almost but you said it slightly wrong.

The Uni gasket style filter in the stock airbox is the accepted as fact fix for dust getting through the AIRBOX LID, not “around the filter”.

The leak to be cured is the gap between the airbox, and the airbox lid.


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Is the leak "around the filter" still an issue with the newer filter retainer design?

The new retainer seems much better to me. I still use grease on DNA filter, but it's much more secure than 1190.

I've got a Uni setup sitting on my workbench, but I'm not even going to install it. Even if the gasket works, you still have to worry about screws stripping and the filter itself not sealing against the box correctly.

It's going to be Powercell for me and not have to worry about it again.

I just bought another 1190.

Has anyone who’s got extensive experience speak about the power character of the Powercell?

I’ve always run Rott in all my Ktm twins, as I’m a power junkie, but that increased noise just wears me out...

Doesn’t rott claim actual loss of power with “pod style filters” (they don’t name-Names)

Thnx


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Earplugs, and keep the hp increase.

It's going to take more then one dyno graph using generic names to prove to me there was an actual loss. Some things we don't know about....what was the air flow to the bike when the different intakes were dynoed? How hot were the bikes? Was the intake the only thing that was changed for all tests? These bikes will get hot enough boil the fuel, even with the Rotti. Would clean cool air coming into the air box from the stock intakes with the pods have the advantage at times? How do you dyno that in the real world? Point being, too many factors that are untold with one dyno paid for by one of the competitors.

Do I think that the stock paper has more flow then the Uni - yes. Pod more then the stock paper- yes. Rotti more then the pods-yes. 150hp is enough for me, plus I have better water protection and it's quieter. The analogy I'd use if If you truly ride 85% road, why put Karoo 3's or TKC 80's on your bike. So, if you are tired of the noise and not having the noise would make you happier, how often are you really going to use that extra __?__hp?

I can tell you that the PC's have been awesome to me, have had no issues with them, have more power then I can put to the ground under all circumstance, and the lack of noise is great.

Thnx.

I’m powercell-curious and tired of the intake noise. Just emotionally hard to not have the power. I’m a wheelie guy and I find I can throttle up the rott systems anywhere in 3rd gear while stock bike it’s a struggle in 2nd... so that’s kinda the power diff.

I do wear high quality ear plugs already.

Thnx


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I think this is confirmation bias talking. Given the gear ratio differences, the Rotti system would have to be making more than 24% extra torque. No matter how good it is, it ain't that good - or even close!

I can understand how you would feel that way.

As it happens, i had both 1190S's at the same time, and you are mistaken.

I'm not making any claim at all about % more torque.
I'm saying as fact that when the only differences are rott, emissions delete, and slip on, the stock bike struggles to come up in 2nd, while the modified bike comes up at will in 3rd. I'll grant they had different tires. Same gearing, same ride, swapping bikes back and forth, same rider (buddy as the other rider so we could swap back to back to back to back, broke-back style).

Looks like the powercell prefilters work

Here’s some pics to show what I did for filters, I use prefilters on the front and on the air box top, the unifilters on the air box help remove the hot air under the tank, I figure 70% of the intake from the front and 30% for the air box top. The powercell filters are your main filter