Radar Detectors?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by ogklx400, Feb 12, 2018.

  1. ogklx400

    ogklx400 Long timer

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    Thanks for all the info everyone. I believe me just wearing my hi viz safety vest has saved my ass from a speeding ticket.
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  2. Dorito

    Dorito Dreamer and Doer

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    I have a friend with a stupid expensive detector, frankly because he can' get it through his stupid German head the Autobaun is on the right side of the Atlantic Ocean!

    His was remarkable and actually had a user database it would upload to to reduce false alarms. It was the only time I actually had any faith in radar/laser detectors. And he would still run waze.

    I began to ask more about it one day, when he coyly mentioned the price was a few grand. My interest fizzled in knowing more.
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  3. Advntr

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    Valentine 1- the best - works very well, but it is not a substitute for the brain...
    Once a not so nice police officer that stopped me while riding asked me -pointing to the radar detector - WHAT'S THAT?"
    That is an honesty detector officer...he handed me back my license and said "have a good day"
    I was not speeding and he was misrepresenting reality...
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  4. jfauerba

    jfauerba Been here awhile

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    Another note for people who hate hearding the RD go off all the time. Use waze when there is a lot of other cars on the road, use RD when the roads are empty.

    Note for RD on bikes, I use my phone and install a microphone app and use bluetooth in helmet. The mic app picks up the RD beeping and send it using bluethooth to my helmet. Use to use H.A.R.D but broke and no longer for sell so I could not get parts.
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  5. AzB

    AzB Fattest thin man

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  6. DC2wheels

    DC2wheels Castle Anthrax troll

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    I use my Escort Redline all the time on the bike. I have its audio output fed into a Mix It 2 along with a Zumo 550 for GPS and low level music. This is wired directly into my helmet via Sena.
    I also have my iphone running Waze bluetoothed into my helmet too.

    I've done a bunch of Iron Butt rides like this.

    But I agree that having all the safety gear and (unfortunately?) grey hair will get me out of an award when RARELY stopped.
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  7. davidji

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    If I do a radar detector again I think I'll try that. I had a bike mounted radar detector before but stopped using it, since I couldn't reliably see or hear alerts while riding.
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  8. davidji

    davidji bike curious

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    Sending a this is not the droid you're looking for message.
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    Also keep a sharp eye out for brake lights for no apparent reason.
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  10. DC2wheels

    DC2wheels Castle Anthrax troll

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    Also I keep the GPS (Zumo 550) zoomed in for a couple of reasons.

    -on twisty roads that I am not familiar with, a quick glance will show how tight the corner is and where hidden intersections are.

    -on divided highways it will show where the "authorized use only" crossovers are. A likely location for a radar equipped cruiser with instant-on.
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  11. WindBlast

    WindBlast Recalculating........

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    I ran this same setup for a few years and it worked well. Now everything is more bluetooth so I sold the Mixit2. Still a viable alternative.
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  12. dietDrThunder

    dietDrThunder Why so serious, son?

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    None of this is true, apart from keeping speed down being a reasonable alternative. Cops are slaves to laser and radar. If they point it at you, and you're going above whatever speed they deem ticket-worthy, you're getting pulled over. If you never get pulled over on the Interstate, it's because yo aren't going fast enough to get pulled over; it's not because there's some magical no-ticket bike thing going on. Also, modern high-end detectors do not alert off the vast majority of collision avoidance systems. That isn't to say there are never false alerts, but it isn't a huge issue with the latest top-shelf stuff.

    I would say that radar detector use has saved me somewhere in the area of $25,000 over the course of the 30 years I've used them, including insurance bump-up estimates etc. My nominal freeway driving and riding speed is around 85-88, and I've had two ticket in the last 20-something years. One was me accidentally having the detector off, and the other was me being dumb (driving really fast...90+... in the middle of the night with no other traffic running interference for me). Notably, each of those tickets individually cost me roughly the same as the cost of the radar detector that I wasn't using or wasn't using properly.

    The point is that the only people who say that radar detectors are, in general, useless, are a) cops who like to believe that because they occasionally pull someone over who has a detector, b) people who believe cops when they say it, and c) people who don't understand how to properly use them (maybe the 'c' people are the people who get pulled over in the 'a' example?).

    Using a radar detector effectively is a learned skill, and it isn't all that easy. Because radar frequencies are used for other things besides police radar, using a detector to good effect is a nuanced activity that takes time and experience to master. I realize that this sounds ridiculous but it's true. A detector is just one tool in your arsenal, which includes understanding how radar range is effected by terrain, how to leverage other traffic to your advantage, constant vigilance/situational awareness, local tendencies of enforcement, etc.

    Regarding laser, virtually 100% of the time, if the laser isn't actually targeting your vehicle in real time, you aren't getting an alert. And, if it is targeting you, it's too late. The only effective anti-laser strategy is to install quality shifters. If I lived in a place that had a large laser presence I'd have the shifters for sure.

    As for what detector to use, for a very very long time, the Valentine-1 was the gold standard, and is still an excellent detector. However, the lastest stuff from Uniden, Radenso, and especially Escort, has caught and in some cases passed V-1 in some areas of performance. Escort has even finally admitted that the whole direction arrow thing is useful and is now offering it on a couple models, like the V-1 has since the beginning.
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  13. dietDrThunder

    dietDrThunder Why so serious, son?

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    I run a similar setup on my LDR-equipped Super T. I've got my 9700 (need to upgrade) in my trunk under a false floor, with an Amplirider which is connected to the radar detector and my Zumo 665LM. The 9700 has a Bluetooth attachment that allows me to run the Escort Live! app on my phone, which is on my dash next to the Zumo. In this way I get radar alerts, GPS, XM radio, and MP3 in my ear buds.

    Also, apart from all that I said above, it is definitely true that the geared-up old man thing is quite effective when countermeasures fail :)
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  14. dietDrThunder

    dietDrThunder Why so serious, son?

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    I'm working on that...I've got a lottery entry in :)
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  15. Jarlaxle

    Jarlaxle Bregan D'Aerthe

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    No detector here...do not need one, because I do not ride at insane speeds.
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  16. Jarlaxle

    Jarlaxle Bregan D'Aerthe

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    Not more than that. (15 over and I lose my job.)

    Bullshit.
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  17. ogklx400

    ogklx400 Long timer

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    Wow it saved you from a 1000 speeding ticket thats pretty amazing. Just wondering what does a IBA member have to do with anything? What does it matter that ur number is higher or lower than someone elses IBA member number it don't get it maybe it something to do about bragging rights I guess?
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  18. dietDrThunder

    dietDrThunder Why so serious, son?

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    He didn't say it saved him from 1000 tickets; he was saying that the detector has saved him 1000x its cost.

    Also he was joshing about the IBA number.
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  19. dietDrThunder

    dietDrThunder Why so serious, son?

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    It isn't bullshit at all. There are multiple traffic studies that show that travelling slower than the prevailing speed is one of the top contributing factors in freeway accidents. In fact, it beats out travelling faster than the prevailing speed every time (well, in the two studies I've seen...I guess I don't know if it's literally every time).
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  20. Jarlaxle

    Jarlaxle Bregan D'Aerthe

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    So...you must be fine with a semi going 90, then?
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