Rally Raid Products BMW G310R / G310GS

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  1. ktmmitch

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    G310GS Adventure - FAQs and thread index

    This is the official Vendor thread for the Rally-Raid Products 'Adventure' kit and associated accessories for the BMW G310GS.


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    photo. The first two [pre]production Rally Raid G310GS Adventure models - debut at the APC Rally in Australia later this week... ridden by Australian BMW ambassador Amy Harburg, and Rally Raid Products (UK) Adam Mitchinson.



    G310GS Adventure FAQs



    (7th March 2018)​

    Please note: These FAQs pertain specifically to the current Production Specification Rally-Raid Products G310GS ‘Adventure’ kit, and associated parts and accessories - due on sale at the end of March 2018.


    1) I understand there are different ‘Levels’ of kit available, can you explain the key differences to me in simple terms?

    There are two main options for upgrading the G310GS suspension - LEVEL 1 and LEVEL 2

    LEVEL 1 replaces the standard travel suspension and maintains the original seat height.

    LEVEL 2 is our fully adjustable and longer-travel ‘Adventure’ suspension kit, which offers an increase in travel/ride height of +20mm over standard.

    In addition, we also offer a ‘Low’ version of our LEVEL 1 shock which lowers the standard seat height by 10mm and can adjusted to a maximum of -35mm reduction, suitable for shorter riders.

    All of our suspension options can be combined with our heavy-duty spoked wheels to complete the ‘GS Adventure’ package, or indeed the 17/19” spoked wheels can also fitted independently of any suspension upgrade if desired.




    2) So can you describe the different ‘LEVEL’ suspension options in more detail?

    L1 Suspension:

    LEVEL 1 replaces the standard travel suspension with higher quality and adjustable components front and rear. This is the ideal option for those who want to improve suspension performance, but do not wish to raise the seat height at all.


    The LEVEL 1 rear shock offers the same overall travel/seat height as the OEM shock, but offers far high-quality and adjustable damping (via a single combined adjuster wheel for rebound and compression); together with the option of fitting our hydraulic remote preload adjuster to easily compensate for different loads.


    The LEVEL 1 LOW shock offers a reduction in seat-height of 10mm from standard, and can be further adjusted to lower the seat height by an additional 25mm as desired - ie. up to -35mm lower that the original seat*. It features the same combined damping adjuster as the regular LEVEL 1 shock, but note in this Low configuration cannot be fitted with the hydraulic preload adjuster.


    The LEVEL 1 fork kit offers the same travel as the OEM fork components, and features upgraded springs, revised damping settings and billet aluminium external preload adjustment caps.


    *note. should you elect to lower the rear of the bike with the LEVEL 1 Low shock, we recommended that you also lower the front of the bike correspondingly by the same amount - by sliding the fork legs through the triple clamps - to retain the same fore-aft level attitude of the bike.



    L2 Suspension:

    The LEVEL 2 'Adventure' suspension package offers a useful increase in travel and ride-height/ground clearance over OEM and our LEVEL 1 shock/fork kit, together with comprehensive damping adjustment.


    The LEVEL 2 rear shock offers +20mm travel over standard, and features a reservoir with individual high and low speed compression dampening adjusters, together with a separate rebound adjuster. Similar to high-end dirt-bike suspension, it also features a PDS valving circuit to better control the action towards the extreme of travel. As with the LEVEL 1 shock, there is also the option of fitting our dedicated hydraulic remote preload adjuster to compensate for different loads and conditions.


    The LEVEL 2 fork components increase the front ride-height by +25mm to complement the longer travel rear shock, and again includes billet aluminium adjustable preload caps for the upgraded fork springs.


    note. all of our G310GS shocks and fork kits can be specified with a choice of spring weights, together with front and rear preload adjustment - allowing you to tailor your suspension set-up to suit your preference.




    3) Can I purchase any of the suspension components separately, or do they have to be bought as a package?

    Since the LEVEL 1 shock and fork components do not alter the original geometry of the bike at all, they are available separately front and rear, and can be fitted individually if desired.

    However, the longer-travel LEVEL 2 shock and fork components must be fitted together as a matched pair, and are therefore sold as a complete kit.



    4) Tell me more about the spoked wheels - are they tubeless?

    Our heavy-duty spoked wheels are designed to be a direct replacement for the OEM cast wheels (17” rear, 19” front) and accept the existing brake discs, ABS sensor rings and cush-drive/sprocket assembly from the original wheels - making the conversion and any subsequent spare parts (wheel bearings and seals) simple and cost-effective.

    They are available with a choice of either black or gold powder-coated rims.

    In addition, they can be specified in either tube-type or tubeless options as desired.

    The tubeless rims are a cost-option, factory fitted and warrantied [for 4 years] by our partners BARTubeless in Italy. note. Our front and rear tubeless rims incorporate a tubeless tyre bead to properly seat tubeless-specific tyres, such as the Continental TKC series for example.


    Please note that not all colour/tube/tubeless options may always be available immediately from our warehouse stock, but all specific orders will be satisfied as quickly as possible.



    5) My bike has ABS - do the Rally Raid spoked wheels still work with the ABS?

    Yes, they certainly do. The G310GS is sold worldwide as an ABS equipped model, so it was essential that our replacement wheels would retain all the OEM ABS and braking components.

    Fortunately BMW also saved us a job in making the ABS on this model switchable on/off (even on the fly) from the factory.



    6) I love the look of the spoked wheels - can I just buy the wheels on their own?

    Yes of course - the pair of spoked wheels are a direct replacement for the OEM cast wheels: 17” rear and 19” front, accept all your original brake and drive components, and can be fitted independently of any suspension upgrade if you desire.



    7) If I fit the spoked wheels, can I swap between my OEM cast wheels for commuting during the week, then swap to the spoked wheels for off-road use?

    Certainly - one of the key benefits of having two sets of wheels now is you could always have the cast wheels fitted with street orientated tyres if you regularly commute and want to save your all-terrain tyres specifically for longer adventure rides. All you need to do is swap the OEM brake discs and cush-drive assembly back and forth between each set of wheels as desired.



    8) I see the standard bike has a plastic skid-plate, what can I do to improve engine protection?

    While the OEM plastic skid plate ought to be sufficient for general [road] riding and mild off-road conditions, we feel the bottom of the engine is particularly vulnerable should an impact on a rock or log occur.

    We offer a heavy-duty tubular cradle style engine guard that complete isolates the engine cases from any impact [in much the same was as a traditional dirt-bike frame would], and in addition provides a strong and smooth underside to help slide over any obstacles. Our design also incorporates forward protection for the engine side cases and the base of the radiator, in the event of an impact or tip-over.

    Due to the suspended engine design of the G310GS, we consider our engine guard is an essential accessory for those riders wishing to take their bike more seriously off-road.



    9) I plan to ride long distances all-year-round on this bike, however the standard windshield doesn’t appear to offer a lot of weather protection - do you have any alternative suggestions?

    We have worked with our British engineering partners Powerbronze to develop our own dedicated ‘Adventure’ windshields - in both low/Rally and tall/Touring configurations - and which are specially shaped to allow clearance at full steering lock, even with hand guards fitted. In addition we also offer a perspex headlight lens protector.



    10) The standard exhaust silencer is very large and bulky on this bike, do you have an alternative?

    Similarly, working in conjunction with another long-term British engineering partner Scorpion Racing, we have developed a dedicated replacement exhaust system for the G310GS, with the option to delete the catalytic coverer for appropriate markets, and which offers a useful weight saving of over 2.5Kg compared to the OEM exhaust.



    11) I really don’t like the shape and position of the standard handlebars - is there any alternative from Rally-Raid Products?

    Yes, we offer a replacement bar riser and top clamp kit for both traditional 7/8ths diameter or alternatively Fat/Taper bars to be fitted - offering a wider range of sweep and rise handlebars than standard. Both our riser kits have the option of further increasing the rise by either 10 or 20mm over standard height.

    Our Fat-bar risers have been specifically designed to mount the Renthal 'RC High' bend (84mm rise) handlebars, as we feel these offer the combination of rise and sweep for off-road riding (and indeed are a very popular choice with rally riders), and fit with the OEM cables, hoses and switchgear wiring without modification.



    12) It would appear that the GS has brackets for a centre stand, but so far BMW have not offered one for this bike - will you be offering a centre stand?

    We realise it is useful to be able to lift the rear wheel off the ground for chain maintenance and/or puncture repair, but at the same time, consider a traditional centre-stand bulky, and unnecessary weight to carry around with you 100% of the time - particularly on a lighter-weight bike that is intended to be used more frequently and seriously off-road, where it can also get hung-up and hinder progress in rough or muddy terrain.

    Instead we would suggest you consider a short removable prop-stand similar to those used by dual-sport riders - which typically locates under the swing-arm and is used in conjunction with the side stand to lift the rear wheel a few inches off the ground. The Endurostar Trail Stand or Bikemaster Lift-Stick are two popular choices.


    For workshop and home maintenance, we strongly recommend you invest in either a traditional paddock stand to lift the rear wheel (the universal type can be used with many other motorcycles too of course), or a simple scissor-lift that can be used to lift either wheel in conjunction with the Rally Raid tubular engine guard.



    13) Ok, I’m ready to buy - I see you are based in the UK - how do I purchase the parts I want?

    Rally Raid Products have a comprehensive web-shop: www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk, that accepts International payment in a range of currencies, proportional to the default UK pound pricing.

    We use UPS for worldwide shipping, to most destinations using their 48 hour priority service. Typically all products in stock shipped to both Europe and the USA arrive within a week.



    14) Can I fit the suspension/full Adventure kit myself at home, or does it need professional installation?

    The kit/s have been designed to be DIY fit, and full step-by-step instructions are available on the Rally Raid Products website to read/download at the bottom of each respective product page.

    The kit/s have been specifically designed to be completely bolt-on, and there is no need to cut or weld anything to fit the upgraded components. Typical workshop tools - a metric socket set, wrenches and allen keys are really all that is required. However, BMW do have some unique hardware on this bike, and where applicable, we will include a specific tool/fitting to allow you to remove and replace any specific component.

    Should you prefer a professional workshop to undertake the work on your behalf, then they too will appreciate the straightforward nature of the conversion.


    note. To safely fit the front and rear suspension components, you will need support the bike so that no weight is on either the swing-arm/front forks in turn. In that regard, we suggest you consider our tubular Engine Guard which cradles the engine, and fit that first of all - then you can support the complete weight of the bike on a scissor lift directly underneath the engine.

    In addition, while the vast majority of the installation is simple bolt-off bolt-on, you will be required to remove some of the fork internal components and replace them with the new Rally Raid parts. If you are not confident or familiar with such a procedure, we do recommend obtaining the assistance of an experienced and/or professional workshop mechanic for that element of the conversion.



    15) I’m rather short in the leg, and find the GS is already as tall as I feel comfortable on… what are my options to upgrade if I want to ride my bike off-road more seriously?

    While we consider our longer-travel LEVEL 2 suspension to be the optimum [off-road] set-up for this bike, we realise that the compact dimensions and lighter weight of this new BMW is also going to appeal to shorter adventure riders - which is why we felt it important to offer high quality and adjustable suspension in standard travel/ride-height length too, together with an additional ‘Low’ version that lowers the seat-height by up to -35mm from standard, should you desire.

    The LEVEL 1 suspension components will make the most of the original travel available, without raising the seat height at all. Fortunately the geometry of this bike means you’ll still have more than adequate ground-clearance for most off-road conditions.

    If you plan to ride off-road and into the unknown, then we would certainly recommend also fitting our tubular Engine Guard to protect the otherwise vulnerable sump; while our heavy-duty foot-pegs offer a far larger platform for when standing while riding off-road, and indeed improve general comfort when riding long distances too.

    Finally, the spoked wheel kit offers stronger and more resilient heavy-duty rally-bike specification wheels, which can accept the OEM size tyres or similar more aggressive tread pattern alternatives.


    rev. JMo 7/3/18

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    Original post from 25th May 2017:

    Best Motorcycle Wednesday, or BMW, as today is now called.
    We collected the first G310R from local BMW dealer, Wollaston BMW, this afternoon, with a view to getting a look at one as a head start on our GS310R kit, but the GS version could be a few months away.

    So, as both bikes share the same chassis and many other parts, it seemed a swift way to start development of what we think will become a very popular entry-level motorcycle, at an extremely attractive price, and backed by BMW's global support service.

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    We already knew about the 310 from a suspension point of view a long time ago through our partners TracTive Suspension in the Nederlands, who manufacture all the Touratech suspension for them, plus do a lot of consultancy work for the BMW factory on upcoming models, so for us at RR, as a niche manufacturer of parts to adapt/transform well-built, but average performance, adventure/trail bikes into much more focused travel bikes, the BMW 310 model range seemed to fit our profile.
    We have done very well expanding our business, first from the KTM 690 Enduro(based on our rally experience), then lately the popular Honda CB500X, so this new market entry bike from BMW seemed a logical step, especially as we already have an inside track on the suspension already.
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    "Brilliant!"
    Looking forward to this build as Rally Raid continues to reshape the market for smaller, practical, more capable Adventure Bikes.

    Here's some pricing information on the G310R I just received from A&S Motorcycles here in California...

    Juan
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    "Hey Juan,
    We are expecting our first BMW G310R's here in July. The all inclusive price on the 2017 G310R in either the Cosmic Black or Strato Blue Metallic is $4,995+fees and the Pearl White Metallic Motorsport is $5,095+fees. Out the door, assuming Sacramento county sales tax at 8.25%, it's about $6,140 (plus about $100 for the Motorsport bike). "
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  4. jackwolfskin

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    Awsome i was waiting on this bike to come out iam trying to pick a light bike for comuting and some light offroad, hope this bike does good fuel economy i was looking for something that drinks alot less then my XRV 750
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    Just ordered my rally raid level 2 kit. Looking forward this upgrade!
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    RR, get some 19/17 laced wheels for that moving PRONTO! ha ha....the stockers look like something from Alibaba!
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    ^^^ Definitely!

    Though plain silver or black would be enough for me. Those gold hoops for the CB500X RR only work based on Honda heritage. And what was Suzuki thinking with them in the new Wee Strom? :puke1
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    Probably going for silver or black powder-coat, more durable than anodising, and either black or silver anodised hubs.
    It should be fairly simple to gain a bit of travel front and rear, at the expense of raising the (fairly low) seat height.
    We are clocking some miles up on our G310R test bike, just to get a feel for it, and will do a more extensive report on the R version later this week.
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    After clocking up quite a few trips on our BMW G310R, both back road & main road, I thought it time to give a brief outline of our first impressions of this new bike, and some idea of how the 310GS will perform, as they are both going to be similar, apart from probably some slight suspension changes and a small windshield to reduce buffeting.

    The first impression I got was the fit & finish was much improved over the bikes seen at the NEC show last November, there are still a couple of areas that show it's "built to a price" target, such as pressed metal parts and some welding, but overall they are MUCH better than any chinese bikes some people have been comparing them to, and equally as good as other European-owned, but Indian-built bikes, such as the KTM 390 9which is probably it's main competition).

    The riding position is very much that you sit "in" the R model, and it's quite comfortable, even for a 2 hour trip I did. Ergo's are fine, the bar set-up is good for the road-biased R bike, and the switchgear works well. My main gripe is that both the clutch & front brake lever blades are WAY too long. Not any adjustability on the bars, apart from rotationally, so that is something we are going to address straight away, plus bar risers options.

    In the dark, the backlit LED dash looks good, and the headlight gives out enough spread of light for a bike this size, and speed, plus the dip beam cut-off is not too severe.

    The lack of any adjustment of the rear brake pedal, plus the very "cheap" micro switch makes getting the correct bite point of the rear brake difficult, and I hope this is improved on the GS version. Footrests are fine for road use, if a touch small in width.

    The bulky, and very quiet silencer would be the first OEM part to go, and I suspect it also holds the little reverse-cylinder, fuel-injected single back a bit as well in the power stakes.

    Suspension looks the part, with gold anodised upside-down forks, but without any preload or damping adjustment. And the rear shock is a simple single-piston emulsion design, again with no adjustment apart from preload.

    The initial feelings for the ride were very good, considering the limitations of both front & rear suspension budget, and could be described as fairly stiffly sprung at both ends, but a little overdamped on compression, and underdamped on rebound. This is something we will be looking into with our suspension experts, TracTive Suspension from the Nederlands, and should be fairly simple, especially the rear shock, as there is no rising-rate linkage to worry about, plus there is a massive amount of room around the rear shock if we need to utilise this for a piggy-back reservoir.

    Tipping the bike into corners with the 17/17 wheel combination gives an initial "drop" but quickly settles down to hold a steady line, and the low seat height makes it easy to flip from side to side in short corners.

    The front brake definitely feels soft, and has to be pulled on with some effort, so it's a good job the front lever is long, whilst the rear does the job adequately, and both wheels can be locked, if required, and then the ABS kicks in to pull things up steadily.

    There are rear footrests for a passenger, but to be honest, at 35Hp it's never going to be a 2-up regular, and the short nature of this middleweight would make for cramped bedfellows.

    The motor pulls well from 3,000 up to about 6,000, and will go to the 10,600 red line, but it's most comfortable shifting mid-range through the 6-speed box, nuetral was a bit tricky to select at first, but is improving with mileage.

    Average fuel consumption is around 80 mpg, which is fine around the back roads, and holding a constant 60-65 mph is best, any more and the engine starts to feel strained. Top gear gives 1,000 rpm/10 mph, so 65 mph is 6,500 rpm, right in the sweet spot for torque.

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    Thanks for taking the time to offer up those experiences and insights.

    Could absolutely read more about the bike if you've got any more to say.

    Cheers!
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    A great promotion for up-and-coming new riders, is from BMW UK for the new G310R, which we currently have as a development bike in preparation for the promised 310GS version in the autumn.
    £500 deposit and £99/month gets you 7 day DAS course, inc test, BMW riding suit, helmet, gloves & boots plus a new G310R for 2 year contract hire.
    Contact Wollaston BMW Motorrad 01865 319000 or www.wbikes.com

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    Wednesday Workshop- lots of front hub production this week on our CMZ lathe, which is also a fantastic milling machine and can drill and mill at right angles to the turning axis, perfect for CNC machining our front hubs and drilling the spoke holes.
    First on were the Honda CRF1000L Africa Twin hubs, 10 made for our maiden production run for our own HD tubeless wheel kits, with oversize front wheel bearings.
    Next was a batch of the ever-popular CB500X hubs, hopefully to give us stock, as we are just about caught up with all the outstanding orders after a mammoth effort from our team.
    Then we have made 2 pre-production front hubs for our new BMW G310R, this is the same hub design as the 310GS that we have ordered for september delivery, and we will be offering a HD spoked wheel kit to replace the OEM cast wheels on this new mini adventure model............watch this space for more developments.

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    Initial try out of billet spoked hub on our BMW G310R, ready for when the GS version arrives soon, all good, off to have 19" rim fitted, rear wheel next
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    Our final pre-production rear billet hub for the new BMW 310GS model is being finished today on our CMZ lathe/mill, and hopefully it will be anodised and built up, along with the front hub that is already completed, in time for a trip to Merzouga, Morocco, in a few weeks for some testing.
    This will be a 36 hole spoked wheel with stainless-steel spokes and oversize bearings, and can be tubed, or tubeless, depending on options.

    VIDEO LINK

    Trying the OEM cush rubbers and OEM sprocket carrier into the billet rear hub to suit the new BMW 310R & GS models.
    All well, next stop is to put them in the 4th axis mill to drill the spoke holes before anodising.

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  19. cronedo

    cronedo Gelände-Dreamin'

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    Hello ktmmitch,

    The first reviews are starting to trickle in from the G310GS press launch in Barcelona and one common theme is soft suspension. This is quite the opposite of your review of the G310R being "... fairly stiffly sprung at both ends."

    What is your basis when choosing which spring rates to offer for a bike that will likely be used much like your Rally Raid CB500X? Do you ask the buyers about their riding style (ex. loaded touring, ride 2-up, never ride heavily loaded, aggressive off-roading, etc.) and their weight, then make a suggestion?

    How would you describe the type of ride you're aiming for - more load-carrying on bumpy gravel roads, or more capable for handling bigger hits on gnarly trails?

    Those spoked wheels look mighty nice, but if the GS suspension is waaay soft, the initial bigger demand might be stiffer springs and better damping. Perhaps TracTive Suspension is finding itself with fewer Touratech orders after the bankruptcy announcement and can dedicate more capacity to the new beemer.
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    This guy gets the concept completely...



    And enthusiastic and balanced review of the capabilities (and potential) of the little GS - certainly worth a watch, even if you have to endure the Smurf backing vocals every so often in the link music...

    Jx
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