Revisiting ATGATT

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by mikem9, Jul 16, 2018.

  1. mikem9

    mikem9 Wanderer

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    Discussion - Do you ride ATGATT (All the gear all the time), or are there situations where you go less than all the gear?
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  2. Vertical C

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    Define "all the gear" first
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    Only when I'm using Synthetic oil, my personal choice of the "Best" oil filter, and noticing that Premium Octane gas makes my bike go faster.

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    90% synthetic Nitrogen in my tires
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  5. AwDang

    AwDang Been here awhile

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    Nope, not even fighting Atlanta traffic.
    And if it’s over 85*, you might find me in shorts.....gasp!
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  6. C/1/509

    C/1/509 Why?

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    Yup, always.
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  7. lnewqban

    lnewqban Ninjetter

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    Only for street riding: When I must ride gear-less for some reason, I try the safest route (less traffic, lowest speed limits, less intersections), reduce my average speed as much as practical and become extra diligent about riding strategy and skills.

    Not having the last degree of separation, I compensate by over-doing the two first degrees.

    https://www.sportbikes.com/articles58e0.html?id=27664

    The biggest factor that affects your risk is speed.
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  8. CSI

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    I prefer an 87% nitrogen blend......much cheaper, and gives a level of performance that is so close to running straight nitrogen, that you can't tell the difference.

    To answer the question: I am ATGATT most of the time..it largely depends upon the situaton. IE...when riding to work, I have a helmet and armored mesh jacket on, over work clothes. That is the only time I ride in less than jeans or armored pants.

    So...I guess I'm sorta ATGATT, however I don't own a dedicated back protector or a LEATT.....which means that even when wearing riding boots, pants, jacket, gloves and a FF helmet, I'm STILL not ATG........
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  9. scmopar

    scmopar Been here awhile

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    I live in a no helmet state 4 miles from a mandatory helmet state . As far as gear my only two mandatory items is sturdy footwear and glasses. Everything else is frosting. Yes I have been down at speed wearing jean shorts and a tank top but I had on my chucks so everything from my ankles down was good.
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  10. JohnCW

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    It's not a case of more or less. It's what I think is most effective for the situation. The gear I wear slow-speed around town where being seen is considered the major priority, is very different to what I wear on the open roads where hi-speed contact with the ground is considered the major concern.

    My helmet is the only common bit of kit between the two scenarios. But in either case there is no exposed skin. Seeing what happened to a friend who came of a dirt bike on the road wearing board shorts, T shirt and flip flops, when I was in my teens means I'll never make that mistake. Months laid up in hospital, years of on going skin graft operations, and disfigured for life.
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  11. foxtrapper

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    There is always more gear that could be worn. So there really is no such thing as all the gear.

    There is also better gear.

    That said, I’m some of the gear, most of the time. My choice.
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    Good article. Surprisingly good. Thank you for the link.
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  13. JohnCW

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    If that were true, then faster riders would have more crashes/injuries than slower riders. I've observed no evidence of that in 50 years of riding, in fact quite the opposite. Around a city, think speed of itself is a relatively minor factor compared to the much broader concept of 'situational awareness', or lack thereof.

    The biggest factors that affect your risk are attitude and skill.

    P.S. appropriate riding gear is a subset of attitude.
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  14. shoeb

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    Try typing in "ATGATT" into the search bar, there are many many threads already to give you an idea of how people feel (hint: very differently) about the concept.

    Me, no. I always wear a helmet, gloves, tough boots and a proper jacket. Anything else depends on the situation. It's been a heatwave here in the UK so commuting in rush hour means vents open and skimping on thick pants. I'm sure that'll change in a couple of weeks.

    For me, a pragmatic approach is better than one that ignores different circumstances.
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  15. Neal J Hinerman

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    I always dress for the crash vs. the ride. I have an aversion to hospitals, casts, and pain.
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  16. lifeofliberty

    lifeofliberty If you're bored, you're not living

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    Yes. Always. No matter how close or hot it may be.

    I've been through a horrific motorcycle accident and I know intimately what it is like to NOT have on all the (quality) gear you need. It's not / never a question anymore with me whether I will wear it or not. I'm still paying for not listening to this common sense "rule" from 30+ years ago.

    I'm generally always upgrading gear / bike to keep the safety / survival factor as high as I can. And I follow my own rules of when, how and wear I am willing to ride, with some times / places / conditions as "never".
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  18. mikem9

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    To those that gave input, thanks for the discussion. I'll give more info to better frame my question: I've practiced ATGATT for years - defined as covering every part of the body with material that can withstand sliding on pavement, combined with pads where needed. Helmets, gloves, motorcycle boots, motorcycle pants, motorcycle jacket, etc. (Not a neck brace, knee braces etc. ).

    I also ride bicycles for fitness. I live in a hilly area and often hit speeds in the 30's and 40's with very little protective gear besides a helmet. I've been thinking that if I can ride a bicycle with very little protective gear, that it would be a reasonable risk to putt around on my motorcycle in my local rural/suburban area at lower speeds, without all the gear. I would consider non-ATTGAT something like Helmet (mandatory in my state), gloves, hiking boots and jeans.

    I just wanted to hear some others opinions on the matter. Thanks.
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  19. Hi-De-Ho

    Hi-De-Ho Mad Scientist

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    As @JohnCW stated......attitude and SKILL......

    I have seen many riders OVER dress, and have that gear encumber them in such a way that it restricts their ability to use the dexterity needed to manipulate all the motor skills necessary to AVOID an accident. Seen this many, many times.

    Let me say, those of you that insist on wearing every safety device know to mankind, and insist on bundling yourselves up so much....that it causes you to fall.......I would ask that you NOT lecture those of use that have far more riding experience, and the skills to avoid falling down, while we wear what we feel is appropriate riding gear during the immediate riding circumstances.
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  20. BetterLateThanNever

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    I can't imagine how terrible one's gear would need to be to restrict the ability to operate the machine. I don't actually believe you, I'm sorry to say.

    In the meantime, I see nobody "lecturing" you. Congratulations on reducing a discussion of gear to a ridiculous, defensive, straw-man-driven partisan poo-fling in less than a page.
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