So we've all heard/seen the 650 xchallenge...let's see your XCOUNTRY!

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Olas, Dec 3, 2007.

  1. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    Glad you found somebody to do the seat swap with.

    The problem with starting is not typical. Have you read through the "Issue Log" thread? The answer might be there. If not, add a post to that thread and see what others suggest.
  2. XFrog

    XFrog Adventurer

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    In agreement with what others have said, this is not 'normal' and is repairable. That said, it is not entirely uncommon either, mine did this exact same thing when I bought it used. I was able to fix mine and it starts, idles and runs as smooth as can be now. All the information you need to fix this problem is out there in this thread and/or the web but it does take some sifting thru and there is some mis-information out there. I would do the following steps in this order. Details on how to do these things can be found elsewhere. I did not do the things in green to my bike but I have heard they may help, I am doing the plugs and air cleaner the next time I do a full service but my standard components are working great.
    • Clean the throttle body and pay particular attention to the idle actuator mechanism which gets gummed up.
    • Vent your crankcase breather to atmosphere, instead of back into the airbox, and it will keep it from getting gummed up again.
    • Reset throttle position sensor & idle actuator positioning. I think these two are the exact same procedure done by turning the key and holding the throttle in a certain position. You can actually hear the idle actuator move and calibrate itself.
    • Run a can of your favorite fuel injector cleaner thru the bike. I use Lucas.
    • Perform a canisterectomy.
    • Install a Booster Plug
    • Install an Odyssey PC310 battery and put a battery tender on it occasionally to keep it at optimum performance.
    • Switch to better gas...super unleaded at lower elevations. I use unleaded plus with good success at >5000' elevation.
    • New iridium tip spark plugs.
    • New Uni foam air fliter.
    • A problem with your ECU? See BMW dealer and have them pull fault codes.
    I think the issue is a combination of things as the problem got less-and-less with each step I performed. Give it some time after making all the changes as the ECU seemed to adapt and it ran better after a few rides.

    The stalling issue was a complete and utter annoyance to me and I spent a lot of time working on this. Please don't put it off, the bike is SO MUCH more fun when it runs right! I think it is even dangerous as I had it stall as I was pulling out into traffic and it scared the hell out of me. :eek1

    Xfrog






  3. dip1

    dip1 Been here awhile

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    Mine will still stall when cold. It did have a computer remap done a while back. Seemed like it changed the idle a little at the time but can't tell since there isn't a tach. I live with it for now. It used to stall when it's really hot out and driven in the city. That hasn't happened since they remapped the computer. That problem was a pain in the ass and dangerous.:eek1
  4. CavReconSGT

    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    He traded with me and I also am a happy camper. I now have an '09 on my '07. Bykemeister was a good guy to deal with. No problems at all with the trade. :beer

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  5. studad

    studad Been here awhile

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    Does anybody else want to trade seats? I've got an 09 and would definitely go for a taller seat.
  6. Bykemeister

    Bykemeister Been here awhile

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    i want to thank everyone for their opinions on my idling problem.

    MY problem however is that my mechanical skills are.................
    well, let's just say that what i DON'T know about"resetting throttle position sensor
    and idle actuator positioning" would fill at least 20 volumns.

    before i call on my mechanic friends, i was wondering if the dealer will do any of this.
    my bike is still under warranty.

    thanks again.
  7. leafman60

    leafman60 Long timer

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    If anyone knows where I can obtain a pre-09, long length, stock rear shock as fitted on the XCo, would you please Private Message me ? Thanks
  8. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    Like this one on the bottom--

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  9. leafman60

    leafman60 Long timer

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    Yes, like the one on the bottom of that pic.
  10. CavReconSGT

    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    Are both of those set as low as they can go? I have an '07 if that is what you are looking for. Send me a PM.

    KR
  11. muddyrabbit

    muddyrabbit Lost Boy

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    I have one, brand new, never been in the bike, got it as a warranty replacement and never put it in. I have been considering having John at Moto Pro re-spring it for my weight and selling off my 2 X-Challenge air shocks, but I am still on the fence. The shock is actually at Moto Pro waiting for me to make up my mind, but I could probably be persuaded to part with it, then I could fund finishing my Husqy for conversion. If you still have my number call me if you like.
  12. muddyrabbit

    muddyrabbit Lost Boy

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    BTW, does anyone have a stock shock with the preload circuit blown sitting in their garage? I seem to remember that someone has one that got "Snookered" up...
  13. CavReconSGT

    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    I was wondering if anyone knew how to release this collar? Do I need a spring compressor or is there another way to do it?

    Any help would be appreciated.

    KR

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  14. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    Are you wanting to replace the bump stop? If yes, I've been told that it can't be done. Don't know if that's true.
  15. CavReconSGT

    CavReconSGT Just the right amount of evil.

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    If that is what I am pointing at in the picture is called. The lowering kit that I bought actually replaces that bump stop. The instructions are written in goodley english translated from German. I am trying to figure out the easiest way to replace that.

    KR
  16. snooker

    snooker AttitudeIsEverything

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    Yo... but you already knew I had one... :wink: so not sure what you are up to man?
  17. XFrog

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    I have never had either of my BMW's in an actual BMW dealership for service, so I don't know. I would guess that some dealers would frown on some of my suggetions. Cleaning the idle actuator & throttle body and resetting the TPS would be no worries. I am sure they could install a booster plug, change the battery, spark plugs, air filter, etc.

    They may take issue with removing the canister or re-rerouting the crankcase vent but this depends entirely on your dealership. I have heard of some dealerships removing the canister because they can cause some fueling problems if clogged.

    The things MOST LIKELY to fix your problem are the cleaning and resetting of the idle actuator and removing the canister.

    If it is under warranty I wouldn't change anything until they take a look at it as they should fix it under warranty.

    Xfrog


  18. Niedz

    Niedz Been here awhile

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    I have never heard that removing the canister can help alleviate cold stalling issues. I still have my canister and have had stalling issues come and go. When I got the second battery warrantied the stalling issue went away, but has since returned. When I had the bike at the dealer for the 6000mi service they cleaned the throttle body and idle actuator.
    I suppose its time to remove my canister (something I've intended to do for a while).

    Can anyone tell me the procedure for resetting the TPS? I searched pretty vigorously in all the pertinent X-threads, but couldn't get it to turn up. This time I will save it!
  19. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    key off
    key on
    throttle wide open
    throttle full close
    throttle wide open
    throttle full close
    key off
    key on
    start engine with no throttle
    allow engine to find idle without touching throttle
    once it settles into an idle, key off
    you're done.
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  20. Geoffster

    Geoffster Fool - Born This Way

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    Thanks, Drone. You type. We enjoy.