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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Chillis, Feb 9, 2018.
Just a better wet weather version of stock?
I have run two sets of the A40’s so far, and have a set of the A41’s ready to put on prior to a planned trip. The only difference with the A40 vs the stock Bridgestones that I have seen has been a little better straight line tracking and better wet pavement grip. Mileage has been similar with about 6,000 miles on a rear tire for my style of riding. I hope the A41’s will be as good. The A40’s have been surprisingly good on gravel and dry dirt, so hopefully the 41 will be a good tire too.
Thanks for testing these. I'm of the thought that the desert trashes whatever brand or type of tire is used (when running hard). Even on my Beta, the Big Blocks are lucky to last 2500 miles between long pavement and rocky desert. It's very obvious that your running hard and not babying it.
Have you by chance tried these Wilds in the sand? From the looks of your pics, you are really putting these tires and Tenere through it's paces. I really enjoy following your posts. I believe you are of a small minority of guys who actually take this beast in some questionable terrain (for a big bike).
The press release and initial reviews while good, come nowhere near as good as riders like yourself who are running these tires and bikes aggressively for miles on end.
One thing for sure. You are very smart to use a full blown knobby when hitting the dirt. I don't ever consider the life of a tire when choosing it. I want a tire that's safe on the dirt and at least predictable on the pavement.
I have only been in deep pea gravel and some powder(talc powder) but not really any sand.
It has handled most everything decently well for a 600 lbs adv bike.
Where I am most likely losing the knobs is the hill climbs or when stuck on an incline and needing to get forward progress. Spinning up in the rocks.
Now that these are wearing in they are getting a more balanced feel on pavement.
With manufacturer recommend pressures of 33f/36r(for up to 200 lbs rider) they aren't too bad. The squirrelly highway handling has settled a bit.
I wouldn't road race with them but road manners are predictable.
Color me as one of the many folks amazed by the factory rubber. I wasn't riding as aggressively as with the Wild's but aired down on dry ground they actually hooked up ok. They were also very good on the road.
When the rear Wild is done I will go with another to get the mileage out of the front.
Then I may try the E07 Dakar. See if they can cope with the desert.
The A41 is a dual compound tire whereas I don't think the OEM Battle Wings or previous generation A40s were.
I have the A41 on my KTM SAR 1290 and I would say they are very street oriented, like the A40...
So if you are looking for street performance I think they’re the only dual compound adventure tyre out there, hopefully giving you good mileage too.
Profile is nice with a better turn in and seem to hold lines better too. I had pirellis prior to these on
Look up Long Haul Paul. The A41 is what he uses.
The Anakee Wilds are out.
Not impressed on any level.
Grip off-road is ok but the front has a bad trait of having good traction and feel until you transition into a turn where it wants to fall in while losing grip and then it gains again. You are left with the sensation that you are going to wipe out as soon as you start turning in anything other than hard pack dirt.
Super noisy howl and tires also cause a lot more vibration.
Wear is super fast. I am not to a 1,000 miles with them and the rear doesn't look to be able to last 1,500 miles total.
Street traction is surprisingly good.
No second chances with these!
are you referring to the 804/805 combo? 2K miles is crappy...mind you I did kill the first gen kenda big block in 1k km on my vstrom thou years ago. I may give the 804/805 combo a go on my AT. It's 2/3 the price of an E07 dakar set..if I can get 2/3 the mileage I'd be happy
Ya, the Shinko 804/5. Some people are harder on tires than others tho, so YMMV. Trikepilot is much harder on his tires than I. I am running the 804/5’s now on my S10 and currently have 2500 miles on them. It looks like I should get another 2000 miles on them before the rear is toast. I like how they perform, and for the price I will probably stick with the Shinko.
I usually get between 4-5K out of an 805 rear and roughly twice for the front. That is mainly pavement pounding and commuting, but the rear spins frequently when I hit the dirt.
Wowee!! You would think these tires were made of gold with the rave reviews they have gotten from the journalists. Riding around a course setup for the press does not make for real riding!!
Knobby tire noise and vibration I can handle. Even not so good handling on the pavement (as long as they are predictable). But then you mention the strange shit of losing then regaining front tire grip on the dirt. NOT GOOD!! I have seen the pics and areas you are taking your Tenere. It's the same stuff that I like to ride.
Please keep posting here on what tires are working for the ST in the dirt. I'm experimenting with Big Blocks on my Beta in anticipation for when I get the Tenere. I've been through one set already. Pretty damn good tire that is very predictable off road (unless I run super high pressures). I got about 2000 miles out of my first set. Which is more than acceptable for a "knobby".
Honestly, I think that any tire will be hard pressed to beat a TK80 on one of these beasts in the dirt. Other than the short life, the Continental TK80 seems to set the bar for what a real adventure tire can do when the pavement ends.
I want to like the Mitas E07 Dakar. I thought of trying it for my next set of tires. I'm just really nervous that it will be very ill handling in the dirt when going through loose rocks and sand. The tread design looks really spooky for anything other than slow riding on hard pack fire roads.
My next set is looking like the Motoz Adventure.
They also have the 50/50 GPS model or the 90/10 Desert HT. I don't want to go that aggressive as I am planning on a lot of road miles during summer to get away from the heat.
Initial report on MotoZ Tractionator GPS after a 5.500 km ride around Europe.
Handling is just as good as with more street orientated tires like Anakee 3 and Scorpion Trail 2 - the more aggressive I ride the better they feels.
Grip was never an issue on tarmac - wet or dry.
More traction on dirt/gravel roads compared with the tires mentioned above.
Same amount of tire noise as with more street orientated tires (and much less than Anakee 3)
Tire life looks very promissing - after 5.500 km of mainly fast touring they still look almost like new.
I really like the looks of the tires - they match the S10 very nicely.
Especially around 50 km/h (33 mph) there is significant vibrations all through the bike.
At higher speeds the vibrations becomes less, and it was never really an issue - no numb hands, feet or buzzing mirrors.
Only when leaned over going through curves the vibrations disappear which makes the tires great for spirited canyon carving.
(Note: I judge that the vibrations comes from the front tire, as my girlfriend are running the same tires on her 800 GS, and with its 21" front wheel and narrower tire profile it produces significantly less vibrations.)
So far I'm impressed with the tires.
Besides the vibrations I find no downsides running the MotoZ compared to more street orientated tires.
If the better traction outside the tarmac is worth the added vibrations depends on personal preferences.
The test route:
thanks for that.
Tire shopping again. Re-evaluating what I want to accomplish with this bike.
Of the three different tires on this bike so far stock have been my favorite.
This bike just doesn't have the suspension travel to take hits at speed in the dirt for super gnarly dirt tires(IMO) so I may be going back to a street'ish tire. Like stock.
Different strokes for different folks I guess. Sounds like a sport touring bike would make more sense, as they are a much better bikes on pavement.
You haven't seen the pictures of places I've taken my S10?
It is the dirt bike I don't have. Blasting through sand, gravel, over and around large rocks, hill climbs, hill descents, Arizona mud clay deep enough to submerge my shaft drive and skid plate.
My bike gets ridden and so far the only tire that has held up has been the stocker. It has seen the least aggressive off roading though.
My Anakee Wilds will have no knob by 1,500 miles.
Tired of getting stuck in the really rough stuff where no matter the tire, 600 pounds and a 200 lbs rider is not going to get traction.
My thought is to stop doing the aggressive off road with it and get a proper dirt tool.
Chillis....I have read your posts over the days/weeks/months as you have posted.
...just curious....did you ever try the Mitas E07's...?? [I don't recall]
....not trying to suggest them to you....you know what you're doing....just curious for my own purposes.
I’d recommend the “Dakar” version of the tire since it has an extra ply and should (hopefully) hold up better.