The Africa Twin CRF1000L Owners' Thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by erey, Dec 20, 2015.

  1. ya(x2)

    ya(x2) Long timer

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    Have not tried those yet but before the seat... make sure to have good touring pants and good underwear (does not sound obvious to everybody! :) :

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  2. Bhart89

    Bhart89 Been here awhile

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    I have a Race Seats one piece seat. I like that it’s taller (about an inch) than the stock seat and love the seamless one piece but I’m not thrilled about the slope which pushes me toward the tank. I’m probably going to either ask Seat Concepts if they will re-do it or take it to a local upholsterer.
    In the mean time I addd a euro taller stock seat.

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    Here’s the euro tall stock seat.
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  3. Junglejeff1

    Junglejeff1 Long timer

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  4. pepebayeta

    pepebayeta Been here awhile

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    I just checked fork prices for the ATAS as I couldn't believe it was so cheap. I couldn't find an european parts list for the 2018 models so I went here: https://www.ronayers.com/oemparts/a/hon/5b155f0287a86613cc3fdfcf/front-fork
    The whole 2018 ATAS right or left leg assembly is 765.91 usd each, so that would be 1531.82usd both (+taxes?)
    Which I still find cheap, being honda OEM.
    I didn't put much stress on my bike yet, but riding alone (I'm about 90kg/200lb with gear) feels pretty good. Actually, I would say it's still a bit stiff.
    Being half of the price than the hölins, I think I'd go for this if I had to replace forks.

    Edit. As you mentioned Oz, I checked an aussie website and found a bit weird the fork spring has the same price than the whole leg assembly.
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    This is the Touratech Tall Rally seat. Expensive but worth it.
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  6. windowto

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    Wouldn't be surprised if the longer fork legs would require a longer brake line...

    Then, of course, you'd need the rear shock to compensate for the geometry. Then the center/ side stands will be too short....

    Maybe, there is a bit of room to raise the longer fork tubes in the triples(?). Not sure if the longer travel will allow this with enough clearance from the lower triple...

    Why not check the base AT fork tubes? I'd think they implemented the new coating on both models for 2018.

    P. S. Just went through the parts fish. Interesting: the complete fork leg assembly for the regular and the DCT models are different part numbers, while all of the component parts are the same part numbers. My take is that the DCT and non-DCT legs are tuned differently (preload/compression/rebound dumping) and that's the only reason for the different numbers.

    Surprisingly, all those parts are quite affordable.
  7. pepebayeta

    pepebayeta Been here awhile

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    I just meant the prices looked really cheap to me. As @ya(x2) mentioned the price of outer tubes (which I found to be correct) and @Motociclo said that was for the whole assembly.
    I didn't check, but I guess there shouldn't be a big difference in prices between the regular AT and the ATAS.
  8. windowto

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    You are correct. I just looked at it, a complete fork leg assembly is just over $800 USD. Not bad.
  9. Junglejeff1

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    Not bad lol.Becoming pretty compliant here as the damn things should not need to be fixed in the 1st place.This bike should be in the threads some assembly required.
  10. Zave

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    To have a Macintosh to golden delicious comparison the OEM would have to be dialed in for your weight etc granted it would still be cheaper but after all the back and forth to suspensions ships and still not as good a product with maybe the same problem not worth it to me i want to ride with the Ohlins the bike is fantastic wow run on sentence anyone loll
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  11. ya(x2)

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    You only need to replace the outer tube (5) (51410-MKK-D21) --> $287.70 (discounted on this site...).

    CRF1000A2 4AC is ATAS ?

    Can't you believe it's cheaper (and almost 1/2 the price actually) than the right front upper cowl...
  12. pepebayeta

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    You're absolutely right. A good set up suspension really improves bike handling. More than any other part you can easily replace. And this bike handles great even with stock suspension, so having öhlins front and rear must be from fantastic to awesome, just to start.
    But IMO, 95% of riders wouldn't tell the difference between a slightly tuned (just dialed) stock suspension and the excelence of a 1st row öhlins. Mostly because the biggest difference in suspension is the amount of settings you can change and the variety of terrains and conditions it can be adapted to..... Do you see a lot of people taking their tools out and adjusting spring tensions, compression and rebound adjusters when leaving a road into a trail? Or from rocky terrain to sand? And this would be something like playing chess. Most of people know how to move the figures, but fewer people know the real game and very little are good at it.
    The best part is most of us get no practical advantage of it. Unless bottoming or something like that.
    I'd go for the öhlins too if I could or needed it. But by now I really hope the kashima coat works fine for a looooooong time.
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  13. pepebayeta

    pepebayeta Been here awhile

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    Part prices are not based on production costs. It's more of a political thing. (same with bikes!!! :photog)
    That's why I found the forks being "cheap". Not that I think they're cheap in the amount of money, but beacuse japanese parts sometimes have really crazy high prices. it just depends if they expect it will be sold or not.
    It's always worth with hondas to check the (i.e) OEM brakepads beacuse sometimes you only pay a couple of euro more than some cheapish aftermarket ones. On the other hand just out of curiosity, if you want, check the price for the goldwing GPS map update......
    Or the battery of my ATAS being the same price of the two fork outer tubes. Or the difference in prices of the same part depending on the country. Somebody posted a site where you could find that front upper cowl for a hundred and something dollars.

    And this must be a mistake, but it was the same mistake on two different sites:

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  14. Motociclo

    Motociclo In torque we trust!

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    The internals fit from adv sport to standard and vice versa.
    If the complete pair of adv sport forks were bought, and you had you current forks re valves etc, these internals could be used. Would only give you the standard 220mm travel, but Would give the stronger adv sport outer tubes.
  15. Motociclo

    Motociclo In torque we trust!

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    For some odd reason the parts prices Haven't been separated into they're individual prices. It seems be the same on all Honda part listings in Oz.
    The adv sport model is the CRF1000D2J. The A2J is the standard with abs.
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  16. Motociclo

    Motociclo In torque we trust!

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    Ohlins are beautifully made pieces. I feel there is only few advantages with getting forks.
    First one is finer adjustment in the clickers.
    Second, you by pass the anodising wear and stiction issues of the stock Showa.
    And a loose third is they are valved and sprung closer to ideal. But this can be done to stock.
    You can get equally good performance out of stock Showa with revalve etc, but the build quality isn't quite as good. I love Ohlins gear, but Can't justify the near 5000 charged here in Oz. Add a shock and you have 6000 plus dollar investment in suspension.
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  17. pepebayeta

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    I could be wrong, but mi bike (manual ATAS) is CRF1000A2 in the registration.
    As Oz vehicles are european specs but left hand driving. I thought the CRF1000A2j was the joey version of the european one ;)
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  18. Motociclo

    Motociclo In torque we trust!

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    Your right,Just rechecked, A2J and D2J are adv sport in Oz.
  19. Merlin44

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    Okay, maybe it's just late, and I can't think, but how can the ATAS have longer travel, just because the outer tube is longer? Would not the slider have to be longer, also?

    And someone else said the ATAS upper tubes were stronger? Is that really right? I knew they were longer, and had the Kashima coating, but can anyone say for sure that they are stronger? Heard only a few times that the 16-17 fork uppers flexed. Had not heard of this very much. only the wear issue.

    Thanks,
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  20. pepebayeta

    pepebayeta Been here awhile

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    As you pointed, the slider should be longer too. And most important, the damper has to be longer to allow the pipe and tube to slide all that extra travel.
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