The older Sportbike Road Warrior thread

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by arctic954, Mar 9, 2016.

  1. skortch

    skortch mmm... curvy

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    That's actually one of the better paint schemes I've seen for a Katana...
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  2. MarioThePlumber

    MarioThePlumber I like math

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    Thanks!

    Full disclosure, the bike was purchased without plastics. The fairings were purchased from eBay, and rattle canned flat black.

    It's not a bad look from 10 or 15 feet away, but not a real looker up close. Definitely a temporary situation.
  3. dsilver1007

    dsilver1007 Long timer

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    There's been a lot of times my temporary fixes have become permanent solutions!



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  4. vsvn

    vsvn Been here awhile

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    Bumping from the depths with some news on the old girl. I've taken it to affectionately calling "ancient piece of junk". More on that later.

    This is what it was looking like at the end of last summer:

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    All the carbon fiber patches are reminiscent from a tumble on the track some time ago. The bike was running but not very well — the chain and sprockets were on their way out, there was something odd on the front of the bike (worn wheel bearing?) the tach and speedo had lost their needles and the fork seals were on their way out as well.

    Tracking bikes is expensive and I had gotten tired of it for a while. Bringing this bike back to shape (including new fairings) amounted to anything between 500€ to 1000€. I thought about it for a while and... put it up for sale for 650€.

    I got phone calls from two guys, both of which were rather shady (think of Craigslist horror stories material). I thought about it some more and... screw it, I'll take the ad down and fix it.

    First thing I did was get myself a Morgan carbtune and get the carbs synced. Sadly I didn't take any pictures of the process itself though I can say the Morgan Carbtune tool is worth every cent! One of the carbs was waaaay ahead of all the others. I also took this opportunity to fit some factory parts I had acquired some time ago to replace some creative engineering done to keep the bike running:

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    Reassembled everything and taped the airbox back together. Tape isn't strictly necessary, but the airbox has deformed so much there are large openings where the parts fit together. My butt dyno tells me the bike runs a bit better if you ghetto seal the airbox.

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    Went for a ride after syncing carbs and... woah. What an amazing improvement in midrange! It almost feels like a different bike in the way it accelerates. I was very happy with it.

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    I get home and realize... I forgot something on the workbench.

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    After I reassembled it it still ran great, so no big deal.

    There was a lot of eBay shopping at this point. I don't remember all the items and there aren't many pictures, but a lot of stuff arrived at the office. I think there were about 20 orders in a 2 week period. Many jokes were made about me building an entire motorcycle by mail order. By the 14th parcel the lady at the reception messaged me "You better give me another present and a ride on this damn bike, just chocolates aren't gonna cut it"

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    Hauled all of it home on the FZ

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    I decided to replace all the wheel bearings as it was still running the stock ones from '95.

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    Chinese blind bearing pullers are absolute garbage mind you. The puller deformed without pulling anything out. In the end I disassembled the tool, took the rod bit from it, a hammer and hammered the bearings out.

    At this point I went absolutely mental with degreaser and started cleaning everything. I'm not gonna install a brand new sprocket and sprocket carrier bearing on a sprocket carrier with 20 years worth of muck...

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    Well, I'm not gonna install my brand new stuff on a swingarm with 20 years or dirt either.

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    Well I'm not gonna install my clean swingarm on a dirty suspension linkage either! You can see this line of thought is dangerous to one's sanity. :lol3

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    Combining some second hand eBay fairings I got for a steal with bits from my old fairing to make... fairings that were only discretely broken in 2 or 3 places!

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    The final reassembly was done on weekday nights. It was fresh outside most of time time

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    Changing the fuel hose I ended up flooding the bike and the plugs that had already seen some abuse couldn't deal with it any longer. Damn, fouled much?

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    After waiting for plugs, it runs! Wooo!

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    Maiden voyage to the gas station and...

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    The air solenoid bypass was a disaster. It created an enormous flat spot at 5k. Oh well, some reassembly later, maiden voyage #2 to another gas station

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    It runs perfect now. And by perfect I mean perfect in a 1995 kinda way. The ergos are still amazing and the induction noise is addicting. Also, you don't get bikes that look this cool nowadays. Race-replica liveries? Damn! Most (all?) modern bikes are usually a single color, not to mention the ones that look like angry transformers...

    I went for a ride 2 up with the better half today and she didn't like it much. Says the FZ is comfier. Being a sportbike, I can understand.

    Up close, anyone with a trained eye will quickly notice the bike has been to the trenches. Mismatched and misaligned second hand fairings, mismatching mirrors and discs, scratched forks, gasket maker and shrink tube galore... and taking off the tank reveals at last 2 feet of duct tape and 20 zipties. :lol3

    Now to be honest, riding a FZ1 daily has spoiled me a bit. Digital speedos and precise delivery of all the power I could possibly need and then some is nice to have. You sit on this thing, you see the superficial rust, you smell the rich mixture from the choke, you have to approach the throttle mindfully otherwise it bogs down, you see all the wiring near the clocks... it feels like quite the ancient piece of junk.

    But, now that some work has been done to it, it is a fun piece of junk. I don't know what to do now though, should I sell the FZ and daily the CBR? But the FZ has treated me so well! Should I sell the CBR and keep riding the FZ? But I just spent so much time and money restoring the CBR!

    I've been toying with replacing either bike with... an off road scooter. I think all that degreaser spray has gotten to my brain somehow. I could daily it to work, then off road it on the weekends :D. And then I could load it up and tour Spain with it. Think R1200GS, but with 1/10th of the price, 1/3 of the weight and 10x the ludicrousness. It would be brilliant. :lol2
  5. bikemoto

    bikemoto Tyre critic

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    Awesome! That's all it needs to be :-)

    Still want one...
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  6. Lomax

    Lomax Nanu-Nanu Adventurer

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    I have seen several pre 916 super sports here and will have to throw my favorite hat in the ring. For some reason this one just speaks motorcycle

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  7. justrider

    justrider Been here awhile

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    I had a friend that bought a new CBR 600 in 1995. He rode it everywhere including several if not every single Minnesota 1000 and 2000 mile raylles.

    He said several other bikes as well put tons of miles on them as well. I haven't seen him in three years but at that time he had 129k on the odometer. I worked on it several times and had to replace the slides and diaphragm's becuase he had worn them out.


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  8. StevieMac

    StevieMac Been here awhile

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    I love this thread. Please keep up the good work everyone :-)
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  9. neerbeer

    neerbeer Adventurer

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    I'll keep things going.
    I got the ZX-7R out Saturday for a trip to the dealer to get it inspected. Then a stop at the DMV for a new tag for it. All good for 2 more years now. IMG_0327.JPG
  10. Yard Sale

    Yard Sale let's be bad guys

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    I don't think I've seen a sport bike that old that well-preserved.
  11. neerbeer

    neerbeer Adventurer

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    Thanks Yard Sale! it's a '96. Here is my '93 CBR900RR to go along with it.
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  12. MiamiMotorcyclist

    MiamiMotorcyclist used to be -MiamiUly

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    DAMNNNN. I want.
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  13. justrider

    justrider Been here awhile

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    This was my baby 95 GSXR 1100W.
    41MM flat slides, Yosh Stage II engine 1174cc
    Yosh Cam ported polished head. Indigo full stainless 4-2-1 collectors 1 7/8 , Dyna Tec ign,
    8 gallon endurance tank. Pingle hi flow petcock
    Attack triple offset adjustable triple clamps, Race tech front end , Kevlar brake and clutch lines, Fox twin clicker rear shock, Afam DID 520 chain conversion, Sharkskinz solo tail, Yosh rear sets , Earls oil cooler, Arrotek oil lines, Brembo full floating rotors front cast iron. 172 RWHP @ 10,400 RPM 94 ftlbs of torque@ 6500 RPM wet weight 476 pounds 1520894349437-08cd0501-70e7-4f19-81d6-5028f160771b_.jpg
  14. mikes'gs

    mikes'gs what R U looking at

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    picked up this gem ducati 2001 750 monster tucked away in a customers garage 14-k on the clock.. guy said give me 500 and get it out of here ,as you see its in my garage now ,been smiling for 2 days straight now
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  15. justrider

    justrider Been here awhile

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    Thats a great find. I would recommend changing the timing belts and having the valve clearances checked pronto. That 2v engine is a great one just keep on top of the maintenance. Enjoy your Desmo
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  16. RedDogAlberta

    RedDogAlberta High Plains Drifter

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    There was a time I badly wanted one of these.
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  17. Jim K.

    Jim K. Long timer

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    Unfortunately for Honda, that time was not during the 2 years when they were actually in the Honda lineup (in the U.S.).

    I bought my blue '88 after it had gathered dust in the showroom for nearly 2 years, at 2/3 it's asking price. It was a striking contrast to the crowds looking at the fully faired "Hurricanes" in the front row.

    10 years later, I sold it for exactly $200.00 less than I paid for it. ($20 / year depreciation). By then, we were calling them "the poor mans Ducati". Looking back, I only wish I had bought the equally dusty GB 500 sitting forlorn next to my Hawk.
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  18. vsvn

    vsvn Been here awhile

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    I'm pleased to report riding on the old girl has been going along just fine.

    Also I have a question about some vibration for you guys who've been riding sportbikes for a while, but first, evidence of good times:

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    This bike has always had a rather loud clutch. It makes this deep, loose-bearing like noise in neutral. Pull the clutch in, noise goes away. I read older CBRs were quite loud with their clutches. So far so good.

    However riding recently I've started to notice some vibration in the pegs cruising in top gear at round 5k. It is vaguely stronger on the right peg, which is the one on the clutch side. Barely resting a finger on the clutch lever makes the vibration reduce to about half. It's also somewhat noticeable under deceleration at around 4k-5k RPM.

    I probably never noticed this before as you don't do a great deal of cruising on a race track, nor do you pay attention to minor vibrations...

    Is this any reason for concern, or should we chalk it up to old bike design? Are there any bearings or parts that can go bad on a clutch system, causing increasing vibrations, or are these rare occurrences? Is this even related to the clutch at all?

    Other than this fairly mild vibration the bike runs great. Valves, tire balance and carbs are all up to spec. Drivetrain and wheel bearings are new. The clutch itself works flawlessly too.

    Ah but I saw your personal thread! You have a VFR which is just as good!

    I'm happy to read about your friend. I can only hope mine lasts as long.
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  19. rico2072

    rico2072 Been here awhile

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    When in doubt, just open her up.....lol
    Take the clutch apart and check it out.
    My experience with a vibration has been a broken clutch plate.
    Could be a broken spring as well, maybe a cracked basket.

    By the way, I haven't ridden a F2 or F3 in years, but I've owned 5 different ones. Great bikes and they still look good too.
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  20. justrider

    justrider Been here awhile

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    If there is any imperfections on a clutch basket it will vibrate. My V-Strom had a clutch basket from the factory that was flawed. It did almost the same thing.
    I would pull the plates and check them along with the springs. Look and see if there is any wear on the basket.

    If this was a track bike I would just replace the plates and springs and check the basket.
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