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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by foxtrapper, Jun 30, 2018.
I've been saying to myself lately "ignore if irrelevant" over and over again...
Why does the idea that this might be directly related to heavy, near-universal pot usage, so upset you?
And it does. You don't need to "ignore" Ural threads, or other threads you have no interest in. I'm stepping on your emotional toes, here.
Maybe you should do some self-appraisal. Is it the Unpleasant Truth aspect?...or that I'm making you feel so not-good about your personal habits?
This is the right answer. But also boring. And I want to hear more about the evil google bots
The only thing that's upsetting is your debating skills.
You post some crazy ass idea, claim to be on the side that argues with facts, when asked for said facts you say you can't get them because of some crazy conspiracy theory crap.
Let me show you how you're wrong (well, not you. You'll just say I'm a pot head and dismiss anything I have to say, this is for other readers of this thread who might be tempted to buy into your BS) Correlation does not equal Causation. Repeat that to yourself until it sinks in. Then remember that you have to account for all the other things that grew at the same time as pot usage* like cell phone use or social media. Then you'd have to show, at least in a controlled small scale experiment, that pot usage even creates the type of aggressive douchebagy behavior you attribute to it. Then you'd have to show (again, with that pesky evidence thing) that there are a lot of people driving around stoned all the time. And even after you did all that, you'd have to remember that...
Correlation does not equal Causation.
Frankly, I'd be impressed if you could back up even one of your ridiculous claims ("near-universal pot usage" WTF?) let alone give any sort of credence to your overall theory. Maybe you should try backing up your arguments with evidence, and if you can't then maybe you need to admit to yourself that your argument stems from an emotional reaction, presumably a bad experience you had with pot in the 70's.
*btw, I couldn't find any sort of data show a huge rise in marijuana use. Yes, a lot of people use it, but a lot of people have always used it.
Never imply that any sport bike riding motorcyclist has even remotely done anything wrong in this Forum.
Those particular riders are always right.
Everyone else on the road, be they public or private, are wrong.
These Rules were violated by the Thread, that's why we are arguing about Marijuana, Racism, Loud Pipes, pick up trucks, other types of riders, cell phones, etc. Note how almost no one commented on exactly what the Thread was originally intended to be about, and slyly side-stepped the subject matter.
It's because THAT is impossible to happen. ...
I'll comment though: I do see a lot of Stupidity, but it's from EVERY type of rider on EVERY type of motorcycle. I also seem to see the same ratio of "stupid" from all vehicle operators. My theory is that road users eventually mimic the remainder of current society. When the general public see's selfishness, deceit, lying, bullying, and overall irresponsibility in ALL walks of life, from ALL levels, eventually those negative attributes trickle down to driving and other road use. Respect for others has flown out the window.
It's become a country (USA) of incivility, selfishness, and discourtesy. To change it, we all need to make that first step. You are either part of the solution, or you are part of the problem.
Be Nice.... don't be 'stupid', which must also be defined as selfish.
I am responsible for my own behavior. If I react to douchebaggery with my own douchebaggery, all we have is two douchebags.
Right you are Sir. A quick peruse of our current Thread Line-Up on Perfect Line reveals a LOT of infighting between riders and other vehicles, rider Vs. rider, "us" vs. "them", and so on. I suspect some of our fearless government leaders may be succeeding in their "divide and conquer" strategy.
In the end, we might all try to think back to why we got involved in Motorcycling in the first place, and see if that spark or reason is still there.
"What's causing this? Obviously, the schools, the media, the culture, are all trying to fan the flames of conflict as much as possible."
Too many rats in the cage, that's what. Overpopulation. Too many damn people. With more piling in constantly. It's the cause of pretty much all of the world's problems.
Japan is much, much denser than are we.
China has denser population.
Hong Kong always had.
The "Summer of Stupid" is even affecting the artsy-fartsy towns of Montana; and you couldn't ask for a lower population density than Big Sky Country. Nope...I stand by what I said. Something else is causing it.
I'm not debating marijuana here. As I said above, I know better than to get between a druggie and his drug of choice.
I'm positing that it's the high recreational use of psychoactive drugs that is bringing us to Idiocracy. I cannot prove causation without the kind of studies which have been declared un-PC by the Googlebots and SJWs; but the correlation is obvious.
When a researcher fines correlation, he naturally will investigate causation. Except when his research, or his agency, or most of the research in his agency, is funded by people in power who DO NOT WANT causation proven.
Have a nice day. If you want to debate marijuana's effects, start another thread.
To try to get this back on track.
As I get older (now 41), I find those around me complaining about this generation or that, and I always find it centering to look at how these issues have shaped up historically. That is - older generations have been thinking the younger generations are running amok and ruining the big spinning rock we share for as long as there have been generations.
In 1695, Robert Russel wrote in A Little Book for Children and Youth (subtitled Being Good Counsel and Instructions for Your Children, Earnestly Exhorting Them to Resist the Temptation of the Devil...):
Too recent for you? How about this one - it's from Hesiod, 8th century BC.
Each of us tends to see the world on a trajectory with our lives - that is, the linear trajectory of our own short and insignificant life (when viewed in the context of the greater trajectory of the race) makes the ignorance, folly, and depravity of our own youth fade into memory as we steep ourselves in the culture of responsible and prudish adulthood.
Sure, maybe that those kids now have louder instrumentalities (i.e., loud sport bikes), it seem worse to us. But, then again, it's not like we're Vikings sacrificing virgins so we'll win the next war, either.
Also, pot ruins everything.
My grousing observation wasn’t about young people but about stupid riders. Age isn’t a factor.
None the less, it’s been pretty peaceful with regards to stupid riders for about two weeks now. Today only one, a grey beard flying down the highway, lane splitting at a speed difference of about 50 mph. Would have been bad enough had he been flying down the shoulder, but he was instead inside the white line, skimming door mirrors. Chuckle, he even did a sorta normal lane split, passing another obnoxious driver who was already driving down the shoulder, just not as fast.
The news claimed the state of Oregon made 40 million dollars the first six months pot was legal. Now to get a start like that, there had to be an awful lot of pot getting smoked before legalization. And there was.
If there was proof legal marijuana was causing problems in society, be it driving, or anywhere else, the TV news would be on it like stink on shit. But their not. It's been two years since Oregon went legal, and they have yet to prove things have changed much. Except for bringing the state dump trucks full of money.
Just for fun, good to explore
FWIW, I was grousing about stupid riders, not young riders.
Not to CSM this too much but the divide and conquer strategy has been going for awhile now and is escalating in the last 4 years or so. Based on personal experience I can say that it seems to be causing a general response from the population of an us vs them mentality that is steadily escalating. Unfortunately they are viewing the us vs them in every aspect of their lives, I HAVE to be ahead in traffic, I HAVE to be first in the grocery store line, I'm right and everybody else is wrong about blah blah blah it goes on and on.....
I saw some of this behavior this morning during rush hour traffic, bumper to bumper, on a long (like 3 mile) entranceway heading into the Tollway. Guy in a jacked pick up truck just could not stand for anyone to be in front of him, or pass him. He was constantly changing lanes, darting back and forth, flooring it to dart in front of someone, that someone then having to slam on the brakes to avoid a collision, and so on. All this as the traffic crawled at roughly 3 MPH.
With all that commotion, noise, frustration and wasted use of fuel, he only gained about three car lengths in those three miles. I reached my exit and departed. Lot's of frustration out there.
Yay. Another pointless and futile loud pipe thread.
Got a stock pipe on my GSA and wish it were quieter. Bought an XR600R with an aftermarket pipe, pulled it off, recycled it, and bought a stocker from an inmate on the flea market.
It’s not pot (), it’s just selfish indifference. The guy with the 1600 with open pipes is a case in point. “Sounds good” to him and fuck all y’all else. Why the selfish indifference? Lay the blame on parents enabling shit behavior. Nice job, Baby Boomers and Gen X.
We just got back from a vacation that included time at the Brentwood Bay Resort by the ferry landing. Our room was a straight line of sight to the landing and about a tenth of a mile from the landing. The guys with open pipes—all HD—were clearly audible at that distance.
Selfish assholes, the lot of them.
Huntington Beach occasionally cracks down on loud pipes and I think it’s awesome. Write ‘em up.
Edit: see ya in CSM.
WARNING! This post contains no references to pot use!
Ok, just re-focusing the thread here to stupid...
Out for a ride yesterday down Mullholland Highway (aka The Snake). Not going too fast (because I'm not,) and there was fairly light traffic. I did come up behind a guy on a Harley bagger, maybe a Road Glide, who was generally going about the same speed, but was notably slower in the corners. I get it, these bikes are not made for hard cornering, but he seemed to want to lay on the speed on the straights and slow way down on the corners so that I would catch up to him frequently. In addition, he seemed to be having trouble keeping it in his lane, running wide on a few occasions. Well, after one sharp left corner where he veered across the center line and almost became a hood ornament to an oncoming car, I decided I'd had enough and decided to pass him on the next straight. Now, the whole road is double yellow, but there was no traffic ahead or behind and clear sight lines, so I gave him a quick headlight flash and proceeded to pass. The guy must have taken offense, and decided to race me. I thought WTF dude, you almost crashed and have had me coming up behind you on every corner, why not just let me pass? Had no trouble getting around, but had more speed going into the next corner than I would have preferred. No worries, just leaned it over a bit more and made the corner.
Was I wrong? Yeah a little for passing on the double yellow. Did he really need to prove his manhood at the expense of showing his incompetent riding? I guess so. Maybe that's why he bought the bike in the first place. I was just out for a mellow ride, and his riding added unnecessary tension. He probably thought the same of me.