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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.
With a sidecar attached...:huh
Good luck with the issue, what ever it may be.
Could it be a handling problem? Doesn't want to turn-in??? :eek1
Seriously, I really dig your rig, nicely done mate!!
The only problem I have had so far is with the ABS system, out of all things. I now strongly believe that the reason the ABS works so well on pavement, gravel, dirt and sand is because it is a living organism and not computer controlled. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
It's a long story, but let me explain.<o></o>
Last October I rode across Mexico and 200km from my house the ABS light turned on. The brakes still worked fine for the exception of an obvious ABS alarm. <o></o>
That persisted from Merida (with a stop in Villa Hermosa) to Mexico City, 1,300km. I was approaching mountains and my thoughts were not good. The last thing I need was my brakes not working at that time, but I had no choice and kept riding. The brakes worked fine but the ABS light stayed on.<o></o>
Once in Mexico City I was going to take the bike to Yamaha (as the manual strongly suggested I do if the ABS light ever turned on) but the very same morning I turned the bike on to go to Yamaha the light turned off and stayed off for the duration of the trip. :huh<o></o>
Once back home I took the bike to Yamaha, they inspected the ABS system, electrical system etc and found nothing wrong.<o></o>
Fast forward to last month. On my ride to Chiapas the same thing happened. Around the same area, about 200km from my house the ABS light turned on. <o></o>
The brakes still worked but the light stayed on. On this particular ride you are riding on mountain ranges, ABS are very nice on steep declines on a 300kg+ loaded bike. The brakes worked, but they felt like "normal disc brakes", this time the ABS system was obviously off and the brakes no longer felt unified (UBS was also off, not nice when you are used to it).<o></o>
I managed just fine without ABS/UBS. I rode on a combination of pavement, gravel, mud for a week but the bike felt much, much different I can assure you. All of a sudden I enjoyed having riding skills, something the S10 is very forgiving with. <o></o>
The only "problem" I had was coming back down from 10,000ft on a very steep decline, in rain, when a truck cut me off and then suddenly stopped in front of me. Usually the ABS/UBS brakes would have managed the sudden stop on wet roads, but this time I only had disc brakes.<o></o>
The big fully loaded S10 skidded sideways, I caught the skid and re-balanced coming to a full stop .5" from the truck's bumper. I will say that not having ABS on such a heavy bike, on wet roads, in an emergency stop is no fun.<o></o>
The ABS light stayed on all the way back home, and the ABS system was off the whole way back (total off time approximately 2,500km). <o></o>
The day after I returned home I rode the bike to Yamaha with the ABS light on and pulled into the garage. The mechanic comes over and I explain the problem. He was familiar with it from last year. I turned the bike on to show him the ABS light and the light was OFF! :huh<o></o>
They re-check the ABS system, drained the lines, re-checked the electrical etc etc etc and did not find a problem with the ABS/UBS.<o></o>
As of today the ABS light is still off and the ABS/UBS system works perfectly again.<o></o>
I am not sure what is going on. I am hoping to catch the problem again in order to take the bike to Yamaha with the ABS light on. The only way they can plug in their computer to read the problem is with the ABS light on. <o></o>
Unfortunately as soon as I take my bike to the Doctor it feels just fine.<o></o>
As a side note, there was much talk in the past about turning off the ABS in gravel, dirt, mud etc. I can now attest that the S10 manages much better with the ABS on than if it is turned off. Will I ever wonder if turning off the ABS would make the bike "feel better" off pavement? No, I can assure you it doesn't.<o></o>
Even though the ABS/UBS was off it was nice to still have brakes that worked. They did not work perfectly, but as perfectly as non-UBS work. I will give a big up to Yamaha for that.<o></o>
If you guys have any ideas please let me know, over here we are stumped to what it could be.......<o></o>
sounds like an intermittent loose connection...
do you know if the traction control was still working when the ABS failed?
The traction control worked fine, no problems on T2, T1, or off, all 3 worked as usual.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
We were also figuring the problem being electrical. They turned the wiring upside down the second time and found nothing. But by that time the ABS light was off, so I am not sure how one would know in the first place. Maybe now that all wiring has been unplugged and re-plugged and tested for shorting again the problem is gone.<o></o>
I was also thinking the heat might have had something to do with it. Close to Merida, where it happened twice, it was 41C (105F) I figured maybe the controller or speed sensors were freaking out from the heat.<o></o>
Palenque was much the same temperature. But as I headed to San Cristobal the temps were 25C (77F) or lower, we had beautiful riding weather all week and the ABS light was still on.<o></o>
I returned and the temp was back to the normal hot weather again, 32+C (90+F) and the ABS light turned off again, so maybe heat is not what it is. <o></o>
I did have a bad feeling it was the ABS controller malfunctioning, which is something we will not know for sure until it happens again, if it happens again.<o></o>
Hopefully the wiring is now not shorting out for whatever reason and the problem is gone for good. <o></o>
What I am still not sure about is how the bike hears me when I say "That's it! I'm taking you to the doctor!" and starts working perfectly as soon as I take it to the doctor's office if it were electrical. That is some amazing timing if you ask me. I should have threatened it earlier during the trip.<o></o>
The thing is alive I tell ya, ALIVE!!!<o></o>
well, at least you have good records of reporting the problem, so I would think if/when it becomes more permanent, you will have a warranty leg to stand on, even when it has expired - good luck!
Hi Brendan, my final drive has been leaking oil from around the main seal since going through a fair bit of dirty water, I did the feeler gauge trick and this seems to have slowed the leak down but I'm not sure if it has completely stopped. The seal is cheap and easy to replace so I'm not worried.
Apart from that no noises or anything else in 40,000ks.
The manual states that in the event of any malfunction of the ABS the first thing to be done is clean (and lube ?) the ABS main terminal plug connections at the ABS motor/ECU.
Interesting. As a service manager for a car dealership I can tell you, we absofuckinlutely hate intermittent problems like this. The customer thinks we don't want to fix their car under warranty, when in fact, we don't get paid a dime by the factory for troubleshooting, etc. UNLESS we find the problem. It drives the technicians, and me, nuts!
It's a shame that the system on the bike isn't sophisticated enough to store a "history code" like cars do, so if a light kicks on, and then disappears, we can at least see what code was set at the time. Hope they get it figured out for you...
There is a guy at work who is having the same issues on his FJR. So If someone figures that one out I'll pass on the info.
It may have no bearing on the S10 but the system looks similar from the outside.
The connections thing is worth a shot though. And as Creggur says, it drives techs nuts this kind of thing, whatever the industry.
Thanks Paul for the compliments but that should go to the builder Phil Duffy who lovingly mated the two together. The bike handles quite nicely with the chair swinging off it, but I am having an issue with it snapping spokes in the rear wheel due to the side loads being applied to it.
Cheers - Brendan
Have you had a talk to Woody about some super Duper Spokes?
Yep I have Graham sent it one last night and keenly awaiting a reply !!! I will give it until mid next week if I haven't heard anything I will try again.
During a recent trip my S-T developed an oil leak leading to oil pooling in the bottom of my AltRider skidplate. It seemed to be coming from the front but it was hard to see exactly where. I thought maybe I'd neglected to fully tighten the oil filter (unlikely) or I'd overfilled the oil on my first oil change (more likely). I could not tighten the filter with the plate on so I simply wiped things up and continued my ride, deciding to check it when I got home.
Once home it was time for an oil change so I pulled the skidplate off, cleaned it up, drained the oil, swapped the Bosch 3300 filter out and refilled (measuring this time). I reinstalled the plate. I found a small dent in the oil filter I'd removed. I figured that was the cause of my leak, thinking either a rock had wedged itself in between the front bracket nut and the filter and had worn through. Or I had dented the filter when I'd tightened up the nut on the skidplate bracket. I wrapped things up and didn't think about it again.
Until a few days later when I noticed fresh engine oil dripping on my friend's brand new driveway (sorry Ernie!). It looked like it was coming from the same place. Ernie was able to take a photo with his camera and we saw that damned nut was right up against the oil filter. I couldn't understand how AltRider had designed the plate this way. So I went in search on the Super Tenere forum for lengths of oil filters and found the Bosch 3300 filter I was using was listed as 2.5", same as the Yamaha factory filter. Something was amiss. So I trotted off to the dealer and purchased a factory filter (p/n 5GH-13440-20) and it is 2.631" (thanks Dallara). So the Bosch was actually 3", not 2.5"
Moral of the story is DO NOT use an aftermarket oil filter with the AltRider skidplate unless it's no longer than the stock 2.6" filter. I've alerted the folks at AltRider about this and they'll be making this known in their documentation.
Clearance using a 2.5" Bosch 3300 filter
It's the same with the SW Motech skid plate as well. I had a genuine Yamaha filter on mine but it was one from an R1/R6 or something but sure enough it was a bit longer than the one we're suppose to use.
Heads up everyone.
Just for the record, I just pulled out some oil filters for some measuring, hopefully to avoid some confusion. I used a precision digital caliper to be as accurate as possible, so I hope these numbers will help.
Yamaha's recommended oil filter for the Super Tenere is their part # 5GH-13440-20. I have a case of these here, so I just pulled one out at random. Its overall length, from o-ring gasket face to the center of the top, measured out at 2.631" (66.83mm), which, needless to say, is a bit over 2.5". These are usually referred to as the "short" filter.
Yamaha also sells some other oil filters (their Yamaha-branded filters are actually made by Denso) that will screw onto and interface perfectly with the Super Tenere's engine case, but have more overall length. These are often referred to as the "long" filters. I have a couple of these here - Yamaha part # 3FV-13440-00 - and it has an overall length measurement of 2.851" (72.43mm).
There are all sorts of oil filter crossover lists that show various filters that will fit all sorts of Yamaha models (along with other brands, too), but some most definitely *DO* have differently overall lengths. For instance, I have some Mobil 1 oil filters here that work on a number of Yamaha models (as well as some other brands). Again, they will mate with the engine case without a problem on the Super Tenere, but I just measured them as found the following lengths for each one:
Mobil 1 M1-108 - 2.566" (65.19mm)
Mobil 1 M1-110 - 3.383" (85.92mm)
As you can see one is actually a bit *shorter* than the "short* Yamaha filter while the *longer* one is quite a bit *longer* than the "long" Yamaha filter. No doubt if one had the time and the money to purchase and measure any and all filters that will mate with the Yamaha case face you would most likely find a lot of different lengths.
Which just goes to show, IMHO, that when you fit any non-Yamaha aftermarket accessory (or different filter than Yamaha specifies for your bike) you should carefully measure, measure, measure - and check the fit, repeatedly - to make sure you don't run into problems.
If any of you folks have some other popular oil filter brands out there sitting on your shelf it might help others if you could carefully measure their overall length and post it here. Might help save others a similar headache like the one LDRydr had.
Thanks Dallara, the filter I "was" using is referred as the Yamaha Long filter. It is this filter that comes in contact with the SW Motech skid plate.
I now only use the Yamaha Short filter...
So My brother buys a new S10 on the first go around with a long wait before the dealer had finally got it in.
Now bike has had a blown fork seal, gas tank and cap rusting, all the staples holding the seat together rusting, other parts rusting,etc,etc. Anyone else having corroding problems on the S10? I'm thinking whole bike or parts were salt watered.
Just measured my 2.5" PureOne at 3" external length. Bummer...
Do we know the actual external length of that Bosch 3300?
Yamaha #5GH-13440-20 2.63xx"
Wix #51358 2.75xx"