The Z or the Fox

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by BambiRides, Dec 31, 2017.

  1. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    Sandy Eggo has some AWESOME riding. Get out into the East Co. and things are lots dirtier with lots of mountains. ...and MEX is just across the way. Get across the border at Tecate or Otay Mesa when you're back north

    The line at the main crossing point in Tijuana can be a long one. AMHIK Tho if you're on a moto, I *think* you can filter

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  2. Star-Bellied Sneetch

    Star-Bellied Sneetch Long timer

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    I know it's not one of your choices and because of that I'm probably stupid to suggest it, but I second the recommendation for Miata. Especially an older one. For $2,000.00 or so you can get a decent one that will be very reliable. As stated, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast. It's a ton of fun to wind out the Miata and just flog it. Convertible would be great for Cali, too. Plus you'll have a bunch of money left over for mods.
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  3. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    My MG Midget was an absolute hoot. Wound out and really screaming and you were maybe doing 55mph.

    Sounded fast. Felt fast. Stayed out of 'give me a ticket' speeds.

    That car ran like a top. The electrics were absolute crap tho.

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  4. BambiRides

    BambiRides Been here awhile

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    Yeah I saw one a long while back with gold wheels and a rising sun on the hood. Loved it.

    I'm a huge mustang guy but the pain is smog in Cali. I would love a 68 fastback but holy prices.

    Amen to that

    Yeah I'll probably want a dual sport again real bad. Sold the KLR last year and I'm on a Monster S2R1000 right now.

    It's true but I need to sit in one to check my height in it.

    I'm afraid of old European cars haha
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  5. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    Don't be afraid of the old Euro cars. :nah Just be ready to tweak on them more than an old American car

    1st gen Golf GTI?! 'Nother fun 'wring its neck, but don't get into too much trouble' kind of car

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  6. One Less Harley

    One Less Harley OH.THAT'S GONNA HURT

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    I would never consider a 260-280Z over a 240Z, a stock 240Z is lighter and faster than a 260-280Z, better suspension, better looks and faster...but good luck finding one not butchered up or rusty at a good price..Z cars are getting pretty rare these days...I had a 240Z for years a 73, but 72 and earlier are better. After 74.5 suspension went soft and got the added ugly thicker heavier bumpers....
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  7. High Country Herb

    High Country Herb Adventure Connoiseur

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    If you want a pre-smog American muscle car for a reasonable price, you have to go with one of the less popular models like a Maverick. Add a V8 and a 5-speed, and you're having fun.

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    Between the fox or the Z:

    The mustang will be cheaper and easier to make a basic fun car.

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    If you're willing to go further with the project, however, a turbo 6 Z can be taken to amazing heights.

    I have also seen a number of LS V8 powered Z cars at the Goodguys autocross, which is cheap and pre-smog.

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  8. Canyon Rider

    Canyon Rider Been here awhile

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    I'm with Herb! Get the cheap, boring looking, dime-a dozen Fox body, or a Maverick.

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  9. BambiRides

    BambiRides Been here awhile

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    That maverick is gorgeous!!


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  10. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    I think that may be the 1st time anyone's ever said that

    Those 2 words are usually associated with one another

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  11. BambiRides

    BambiRides Been here awhile

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    Hahaha there’s always at least one example of a good looking ugly car out there


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  12. SJSharkfan

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    I was looking at Z cars for a while. In the SF Bay Area , a nice car is $12,000 and up. A clean driver is $8000. A basket case is $4000.

    Personally I like the look of the early Z cars. I read they are poised to be the next collectible and their prices are going to take off. Fox bodies might be cheaper fun, but they don’t do it for me.

    Go with whatever one pulls your heart more.
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  13. BambiRides

    BambiRides Been here awhile

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    Yeah seems about $6k for a nice-ish car that needs a bit of TLC


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  14. husky390

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    Tough choices. Z's are awesome but so is a 302 breathing through Flowmasters. If you go Fox body, you're going to have to spend some coin to stiffen up the body for it to handle somewhat decent.

    As others have said, Miata's are a good choice and have been known to give pony cars fits on road tracks.


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  15. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Pist-n-broke

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    He's going to have smog issues with the fox body.
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  16. High Country Herb

    High Country Herb Adventure Connoiseur

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    Yeah, there are definitely smog constraints with the fox body. That's the trade off. Using legal aftermarket upgrades, you can probably squeeze 325 hp out of a fuel inject small block. Maybe more if you want to change the programming each time it's due for inspections. Smog legal headers, high flow cat, etc. If you pick up a clean car under $4K, drop another $2K into it, it's a fun, but not inspiring car. A 5-speed would be critical for the fun factor.

    That same investment will get you a lot less in a 240Z. You would be lucky to find a driver for that much, and it would be slower...though probably better handling. With serious commitment, and the willingness to drop $10K in the motor and turbo setup, the Z can be an awesome car. You have to be dedicated to the cause of vintage sports cars, though, since at that point you're approaching the cost of a used 350Z (which isn't nearly as pleasing aesthetically as the older Z, IMHO).
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  17. BambiRides

    BambiRides Been here awhile

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    So what’s your pick for a pre-smog RWD fun car under $6,000?


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  18. High Country Herb

    High Country Herb Adventure Connoiseur

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    I still say Maverick if you're a Ford guy. Other options would be a Torino/Cougar, Nova, Monza, or Firebird. If you aren't afraid of a little fabricating, maybe even a Capri, Pinto, or Mustang II.

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    You just start with a driver, and drop in a stout engine and trans. Throw some 16-18" rims on it, with wide tires. There's your fun car, which handles pretty crappy but will lay rubber. Over the next 10 years, anything that breaks gets replaced by race hardware.

    This is basically the formula I used with my 68 Camaro, which I bought for $5500 back in 1996. Yeah, I have over $30K into it now, but it's considerably faster than any new $30K car, and has been a reliable car for 20 years. The most I ever spent at one time was for the motor, and I probably went a bit overkill with a pretty extreme stroked small block. You can spend half that and get 400hp. Some of those big cars above need a big block 460 or something due to weight.
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  19. broncobowsher

    broncobowsher Long timer

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    A little bit of both. Just start with a better car then they did

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  20. MrPulldown

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    My vote is for a Z. But I find that the 280/60/40s are becoming very trendy. the Z31 was lame. Go for a Z32
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