Ties

Discussion in 'Trials' started by LowPSI, May 8, 2018.

  1. LowPSI

    LowPSI Been here awhile

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    The Pre-65 Trial just saw a perfect tie between 3 riders at zero points. Tied on cleans, ones, two's etc....

    The victory went to the rider on the largest capacity machine, though I can't find the rules for tie breakers for the SSDT or Pre-65 anywhere.

    After all the effort put forth by the riders and organizers is seems like an arbitrary way to break a tie. Wouldn't a ride off be a more sporting solution ?

    What if we have another "perfect tie" at the end of this weeks 6 days?
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  2. lineaway

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    Should of been by time.
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  3. Norman Foley

    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna

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    What I posted earlier said tie was broken ... “as per regulation 4.3”. I didn’t look it up, but rule supposedly states that largest capacity class wins the tie.
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  4. LowPSI

    LowPSI Been here awhile

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    Once you use time as a tie breaker you are running a race (hare scrambles).....Too many factors can influence overall time. Other riders, in line or stuck in a section in front of you can slow you down.
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  5. heffergm

    heffergm Long timer

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    They don't do time because with road sections you'd end up with guys pinned going through sheep country which isn't going to end well. That and the annoyed locals, traffic and the rest...
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  6. lineaway

    lineaway Long timer

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    NATC is still done on time.
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  7. Norman Foley

    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna

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    In Pre-65... a guy riding a 350 or 500 compared to a tricked out Tiger Cub or Bantam is a big deal! Gary on what I assume was a Triumph 350 Twin, is a bigger deal!
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  8. mmanniko

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    At the Ute Cup they go to the oldest guy wins! Certainly not perfect but ride offs are not usually possible at the locations we use. Time had to be taken out for the reasons Martin mentioned.
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  9. motomofo

    motomofo Been here awhile

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    It wasn’t last year. I was part of the very first NATC ride off last year in TX, which I lost. Wasn’t too bummed about that, but afterwards I checked and realized that it was not performed by the rule book at all. I kinda got screwed, but at least I’m buddies with the dude who beat me and was happy for him... ha
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  10. heffergm

    heffergm Long timer

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    They also don't ride on public roads.
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  11. Nodabs

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    AHRMA does it by age. Oldest person wins.
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  12. 2whlrcr

    2whlrcr gooligan

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    Oooh, odds are in my favor!
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  13. lineaway

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    Yes, I knew that right away. Amazing how many people are not current on rules.
    Another fked up thing the NATC does now is award points for a DNF. FULL POINTS. WHEN THEY DID NOT FINISH. BUT THEY GET TO FEEL GOOD. BULSHT!
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    SportSawyer 4RT Herder

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  15. MT 007

    MT 007 Been here awhile

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    We follow the World Trials Canada rules (not sanctioned by FIM but it is free) which state:

    Overall Scoring and Ties. In each class, the order of finish is


    determined by the low score. In the event of ties, the rider with the

    lowest score on observation (independent of any time penalties, if

    those are used) will prevail. If the riders are tied on observation, the

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    rider with the most cleans will prevail, and if still tied then the rider

    prevails who has most ones, twos, or threes, in succession. If riders

    are tied on all points, then the rider prevails who rode farthest into

    the trial before the first one, or two, three, etc. If still tied on all

    points, the clerk of the course will organize a "ride off' in which a

    special section is designated and the riders ride one time each in

    turn, repeating the process until one rider has a lower score. A coin

    flip will be used to determine which rider goes first in the ride-off.
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