Ultra rugged Kyocera phones,GPS smartphones ..my guide

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by PDX Alamo, Feb 19, 2017.

  1. cyberdos

    cyberdos Easy Bonus Loop

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    I've never ridden the TAT and it's a touchy subject among some. I would get in contact with someone that has ridden it and can send them to you.

    You have a phone now, right? Just download some navigation apps on it and play around with them. The favorites here are Locus and Osmand for a reason but there are many more out there.
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  2. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    just to prevent future confusion. maps and tracks are not the same thing.

    map:
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    map with tracks and waypoints:
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    you don't convert Garmin tracks to use with phones, you just download then and go. you don't cover Garmin maps, you just either drag them over from the ancient base camp directories, or more preferably, use good maps like osm/usgs/etc instead.

    getting the tat tracks takes about thirty seconds of googling, downloading, importing. no biggie.

    have a great ride
  3. Shawnee Bill

    Shawnee Bill Long timer

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    I'm going to guess you're talking about a memory card you purchased with TAT tracks (maybe called TAT maps?) on it and were told to put it in a Garmin GPS. If so they will work you will just have to learn enough Android operating system (folder manger) to move those files to your Locus or Osmand directory on the phone. The files themselves will be standard .gpx track files, just a matter of putting them where Locus and/or Osmand can find them. Short learning curve. :jjen
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  4. Hulluvatime

    Hulluvatime Been here awhile

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    Thanks Bill. Will work on that today. I'll be fully up to speed on the tech before long!
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  5. Hulluvatime

    Hulluvatime Been here awhile

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    Yes, my brother-in-law got a uSD card with the KLR he bought recently. Wondering if I can load them on the phone. Sounds like that is possible with the methods you mention. Thanks!
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    If you decide to go with Osmand navigation app, you will probably want to break out the tracks into individual files and load these into Osmand. Otherwise Osmand will show them all at the same time and the same color. This would be okay if there are no alternate routes. I know the official TAT had alternates several years ago. You could use Garmin Basecamp to create a separate file for each track.

    You can load the tracks onto the phone either by email or by direct USB connection to your computer.

    Locus will break the tracks out for you and let you pick what color you want.
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  7. Shawnee Bill

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    Yep. I started with Osmand because I read somewhere it handled tracks well. That is correct but the real beauty of Osmand is that it is (was for me) simple to learn.
    At some point it came to my attention that many were saying that Locus handled tracks much better. That is correct IMHO, however Locus has a steeper learning curve. This I think is due to the fact that the more powerful a piece of software is the more there is to learn hence the steeper learning curve. But it's not bad and now that I have a little field experience using Locus to follow tracks with alternate tracks through the woods I like it MUCH better than Osmand. And also much better than any Garmin I have seen.

    So with what I know about the most common TAT tracks that are found on SD cards intended for Garmin is that using those with Locus will be a much better experience than trying to make sense of them on either a Garmin or using Osmand. This is because of the way they are stored and displayed and the options that the user has for displaying them on the screen. Those TAT tracks come in multiple sections and lots of alternate and side tracks.
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  8. Hulluvatime

    Hulluvatime Been here awhile

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    Great feedback. I've installed both Locus and Osmand on my S7 Active and am playing around with Locus first. If most agree that Locus is the way to go I'll just remove Osmand. I downloaded the GPX file for the older TAT (pre-2016), but I'd really like to get the new section that goes down into Georgia since we will probably start in Jacksonville, FL and probably hook into the main TAT there since it would be the closest point and I also assume the new route has some improvements.
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    Some guys switch back and forth between Locus and Osmand to get different features. I have done that a few times.

    One advantage of Osmand is that it will let you create a new route/track on the unit using offline routable maps. I couldn't get Locus to do this and the info says it won't. Apparently you have to use another app called Brouter to accomplish this.

    Having to create a new route on the GPS device is somewhat uncommon. But there are times when you need to create an ad hoc bailout either because a road is closed or it is getting late. Most of the time you can figure out what you need to do from just looking at the roads on the map.

    Anyway unless you are running out of memory, IMHO, you might want to keep both apps on the phone.
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    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    ahhhhh yesssss ! I love it when people invest a little time and effort to find the pros/cons and see the learning curve for what it is.... STEEP with a plateau !

    thanks for the feedback, it makes all this preaching and stuff worthwhile :-)
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    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    as proficient as you are with other things.... it should only take a few hours to get the hang of it. sorry, it is annoying to have to install another app before offline routing works !
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    Nesbocaj Earth, we're #1

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    >>>>>Search/coordinates search/ 40.760034 -74.975237<<<<<<

    Like Garmin and Mapsource it doesn't seem to like route names ie 5 NJ-31 or 5 RT31 North......
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  13. cyberdos

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    What, you don't know how to swim?

    :lol3

    Osmand's search feature is horrible.
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  14. cyberdos

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    If you strap yourself to the dead hooker you should make it to Hoboken without issue.

    Apps like Co-Pilot are much better at fiding addresses than Osmand. But there's no beating online Google Maps for that.

    So if you have service punch in the address.
    Right-click on the waypoint and select "What's Here"

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    Then click on the coordinates.

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    That will give you the exact coordinates of the address

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    Tripped1 Bitch called me a feminist.

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    Issue with OsmAnd is that there is no screenlock, so if it rains, it becomes useless quickly. It USED to have a screenlock, but they removed it for some reason and as far as I know it hasn't been reintroduced.

    In that event I swap to Locus (I really only use OsmAnd because the map rendering is better, and the turn by turn less.....invasive) usually track record with Locus because its file management is leaps and bounds better. So in the even of rain, I use Locus screen locked on guidance with OsmAnd running turn by turn in the back ground......which has gotten me out of some pretty remote locations in some really crap conditions.

    Another tip that I find simplifies things, is set Locus to import from your cloud automatically....and then set the export to land in you OsmAnd track directory, so you basically load everything into both apps, and then if you need to back track, just export to OsmAnd and hit "navigate in reverse" and you are off.
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  18. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    you can share location info lots of ways...

    hit the share button
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    then you can share a simple coordinate in a text message/email/etc, or full on kmz file of everything on the screen, or just a screen shot, or a Google maps link, or coordinates, etc

    that's locus as far as the application

    Attached Files:

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  19. Mikef5000

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    Couple questions from someone about to jump on this band wagon.

    I'm looking at the XD and Pro... Leaning towards Pro. Looks like you can get the XD for around $100... And Verizon Pro for around $200. I have Verizon now, so my thought is, with a Verizon Pro with a clean ESN, if my normal phone ever dies, I could activate the Pro as a backup phone. Seem legit? Then there's the fact that the Verizon Pro has the fancy glass (all Verizon Pros have it correct?)

    I figured I would buy the Perfect Squeeze phone mount. Any better options?

    Biggest question:
    How are you guys charging while riding? I want to use it like a stand alone GPS; screen always on. It looks like the Pro has three methods of charging: USB, pins, or wireless. USB is the most delicate and not waterproof, but it seems to be the only doable option. I can't find any info on charging through the pins; which seems perfect. High power transfer, low heat, and easy! Glue to spring contacts to my phone mount, and when I snap the phone in, they make contact. Why isn't this done more frequently? Is it not simply 5v dc, 2 amps, positive to one pin, negative to the other?

    The way I see it, about $200 for the phone, $100 for the mount and charger, and $20-$40 for several apps I would use. Am I missing any pieces to this puzzle? Coming in around $330 isn't cheap, but it's half the price of a good Garmin.

    Biggest advantage I see with the Garmin is I can pass through my phone audio. I have a Sena 20s, which prefers only 2 Bluetooth connections. I generally ride with one other person connected, leaving me one Bluetooth connection available. With the Garmin, I can pass my Pandora through to hear music and directions. With the Pro, I'll have to choose which phone to connect to my Sena; maps and offline music, or calls and Pandora. My current GPS (that I've used for ten years) doesn't connect to my Bluetooth, so it's not a deal breaker. But is there a solution?
  20. Eatmore Mudd

    Eatmore Mudd Mischief on wheels.

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    My pro comms with my Sena SMH10 just fine. I'm pretty sure the sapphire crystal screen glass is exclusive to the Pro. Nothing wrong with gorrilla glass III. I got it for nav but now I'm using my pro as my daily device. Yah the 13mp 1080p action cam in it is awesome and all the rest of it's a treat but...the audio quality and active back ground noise cancellation...over the top good.